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Old 11-03-2010, 07:23 AM
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Re: Nov 2, "Tsunami" Midterm Election

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Alright Repubs... you've gotten your chance. Repeal the Health Care Bill or we will repeal you.
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Yes, last chance on the Republican Party for me.
Don't they have to get a majority vote from both the Senate and the House in order to repeal it? I don't see them getting that from the Senate.

Interesting article on it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Healt...ry?id=11668055
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:37 AM
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Don't they have to get a majority vote from both the Senate and the House in order to repeal it? I don't see them getting that from the Senate.

Interesting article on it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Healt...ry?id=11668055
They can cut funding. Yes. Just don't pay for it.

Remember the Dems were expected to draft a budget for next year and forgot their to do list.
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:39 AM
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They can cut funding. Yes. Just don't pay for it.

Remember the Dems were expected to draft a budget for next year and forgot their to do list.
No they can't. They need a majority vote in the Congress to do that, as well.
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:46 AM
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No they can't. They need a majority vote in the Congress to do that, as well.
Prove it. If they sign no budget, spending stops at some point.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:06 AM
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Re: Nov 2, "Tsunami" Midterm Election

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No they can't. They need a majority vote in the Congress to do that, as well.
I think your going to see some Dems reverse course. This election cycle should have been a wake up call to pay attention to what the people want and dont want.
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They don't have enough to repeal obamacare. They do have enough to cut funding to parts of it. This was a good victory, but for those of you who are looking to the Repubs for "one last chance" I'm afraid your going to be a little disappointed. They simply did not win enough. They will be able curb Obamas spending and control, but they dont have enough to pass any new help for the country. Which means the next two years will look pretty lame duck.

The biggest factor will be the Bush tax cuts. If somehow they can keep them in play then the economy will come back fairly quickly. If not it will be pretty slow going for the next two years. Companies simply are not hiring knowing they are about to be taxed to no end come first of the year.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:37 AM
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Re: Nov 2, "Tsunami" Midterm Election

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Yes, last chance on the Republican Party for me.
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Don't they have to get a majority vote from both the Senate and the House in order to repeal it? I don't see them getting that from the Senate.

Interesting article on it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Healt...ry?id=11668055
I was agreeing with Digging on giving the Republican Party this last chance to redeem themselves. I wasn't commenting on repealing Obamacare. We wouldn't have a Tea Party if the Republicans had stayed true to their values, but it does show that the American people are watching, listening and willing to fight. That is a great day, any day, for American values.

The stark truth is that Obama is the one that signs the bills. The House has the purse strings and we can try putting in riders to allocate where the money goes and what we want to fund, but at the end of the day - the President almost always wins a government shutdown.

We have a long road to hoe, and it's going to take a lot of hard work. DeMint has a great article in the WSJ - instructions to the Senate Conservatives. Good advice and hoping they will follow.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...Tabs%3Darticle
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:15 AM
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Re: Nov 2, "Tsunami" Midterm Election

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Don't they have to get a majority vote from both the Senate and the House in order to repeal it? I don't see them getting that from the Senate.

Interesting article on it:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Healt...ry?id=11668055
Republicans would have had to win a VETO PROOF majority in both houses to repeal healtcare.


What they can do for the next two years, is pass (in the house) bills that repeal the most unpopular aspects of the bill and keep pressure on Obama to either admit mistakes or defend the indefensable.

Not winning the senate gives the republicans cover (according to Joe Trippy a major democrat stratigist). Obama cant simply point at a do-nothing republican congress and run against that.

Republicans have a real chance to move things to the center and take credit for any economic rebound.

they also are well positioned to say that the stimulus bill may be providing very slow growth but it could have been far better if it had not contained so much deficit spending.

That doesnt mean beans if the economy is booming in 2012. If things are really good and unemployment is below 6% Obama gets re-elected no matter who runs against him. It might very well be that repbulcans gain the Senate and have a stronger control of the house but fail to win the Whitehouse because Americans may very well remember the very good days of Clinton/Gringrich.

and (and this is really important) Republicans will have zero chance of beating Obama if there is a conservative third party run at the presidency.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:19 AM
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Republicans would have had to win a VETO PROOF majority in both houses to repeal healtcare.


What they can do for the next two years, is pass (in the house) bills that repeal the most unpopular aspects of the bill and keep pressure on Obama to either admit mistakes or defend the indefensable.

Not winning the senate gives the republicans cover (according to Joe Trippy a major democrat stratigist). Obama cant simply point at a do-nothing republican congress and run against that.

Republicans have a real chance to move things to the center and take credit for any economic rebound.

they also are well positioned to say that the stimulus bill may be providing very slow growth but it could have been far better if it had not contained so much deficit spending.

That doesn't mean beans if the economy is booming in 2012. If things are really good and unemployment is below 6% Obama gets re-elected no matter who runs against him.
It might very well be that republicans gain the Senate and have a stronger control of the house but fail to win the Whitehouse because Americans may very well remember the very good days of Clinton/Gingrich.

and (and this is really important) Republicans will have zero chance of beating Obama if there is a conservative third party run at the presidency.
Ferd,
Do you think this is still going to prove true given the volatile climate which forged the Tea Party Movement? They were very instrumental is turning this election around. It doesn't feel like the same old, same old, IMO.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:27 AM
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Ferd,
Do you think this is still going to prove true given the volatile climate which forged the Tea Party Movement? They were very instrumental is turning this election around. It doesn't feel like the same old, same old, IMO.
The econonmy trumps everything. it always has.

the good news for Republicans is that Obama seems committed to the same kind of policy that Japan has used, and which gave them the "lost decade"

the wild card here is Afghanistan. if that goes south on him he is done big time.

Republicans will be able to say that he neither withdrew nor went all in and that dalling around doing neither could be a real sour spot for American voters.

We are tired of war. Democrats wont be able to say "rebulicans got us into this" because all those Republicans are gone.
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