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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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"leadership" isn't the issue. Obama knows leadership, but he isn't leading a church.
Saddam did leadership pretty well, neither was he christian nor is leadership well loved.I just find it ironic that BH laments seeking numbers for their churches and not for heaven, when they are seeking numbers for the money.
Success, American style, is based on numbers. So any church, no matter how messed up they are doctrinally or otherwise, that has the numbers is seen as successful.
But a lot of those numbers are people from other churches, not new converts to Christianity. I don't see that as success Christianity style.
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Saddam a "pretty well" leader?? Your kidding???
If those numbers are from other churches, those folks obviously were not fulfilled where they were attending. I'm not a great fan of JO, however some folks need the type of encouragement that he presents.
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11-07-2010, 03:04 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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Saddam a "pretty well" leader?? Your kidding???
If those numbers are from other churches, those folks obviously were not fulfilled where they were attending. I'm not a great fan of JO, however some folks need the type of encouragement that he presents.
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No, Im not kidding. He gained power and kept it and built one of the worlds largest armies.
Don't confuse that with a "kind leader".
The point you seemed to miss is that, being a leader wasn't the issue MrsBrattified brought up. She did not say "he's not a good leader",
Numbers. The Mormons have numbers. The Muslims have numbers. Louis Farrakhan has numbers. Are they being successful in your view? In American Consumerism, they are very successful.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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11-07-2010, 02:45 PM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
"leadership" isn't the issue. Obama knows leadership, but he isn't leading a church.
Saddam did leadership pretty well, neither was he christian nor is leadership well loved.I just find it ironic that BH laments seeking numbers for their churches and not for heaven, when they are seeking numbers for the money.
Success, American style, is based on numbers. So any church, no matter how messed up they are doctrinally or otherwise, that has the numbers is seen as successful.
But a lot of those numbers are people from other churches, not new converts to Christianity. I don't see that as success Christianity style.
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Saddam a "pretty well" leader?? Your kidding??? Obama's leadership just got a resounding rejection from the American voters.
If those numbers are from other churches, those folks obviously were not fulfilled where they were attending. I'm not a great fan of JO, however some folks need the type of encouragement that he presents.
Seems JO's leadership is still getting the vote of many believers and no scandals, so maybe we should be a bit more gracious toward him.
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11-07-2010, 10:02 AM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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I understand BH's point, but I can't respect it coming from him. Sorry. I think Joel Osteen lives in mamby pamby land, but BH isn't the right person to call him out on it.
Some people are scared of public declarations; anyone remember Peter?
I agree with BH that the right answer is: "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by Him." There's power in the Word of God; when you're faced with a difficult question, IMO, it's usually the best way to answer.
The rest of the ranting, I just can't tolerate.
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I vote we change MissBrattified's nick to SgtBratt!
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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11-07-2010, 02:15 PM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
if benny hinn isn't a man of God, why do people fall out when he prays for them?
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11-07-2010, 02:38 PM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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if benny hinn isn't a man of God, why do people fall out when he prays for them?
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Power of suggestion.
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11-07-2010, 09:19 PM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
Miss bratti, I had not read that before. The apology actually does clear things up very well IMO. I can accept that.
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11-07-2010, 09:56 PM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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WOW... new found respect for Benny!!! Check this out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ej7n7Nhns
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Kinda like Bugs Bunny rebuking Sylvester!
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11-08-2010, 06:30 AM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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Kinda like Bugs Bunny rebuking Sylvester!
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11-08-2010, 06:43 AM
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Re: Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??
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Kinda like Bugs Bunny rebuking Sylvester!
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More like the blind rebuking the blind...
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