Levels of sin

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by DAII

But what is their fount ??? .... we'd like to blame the devil ... but they are sinful as you have described them ... full of sin.

It's our sin nature .... our carnality ... that produced them.

It is this very thing ... that requires us to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ ... our justification runs deep.

Temptation is not sin, it is whether we give in to temptation that is a sin.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by DAII

The punishment is the same under the law of sin ... death ... from the self-righteous pew sitter to the serial killer.

A lying tongue and breaking a vow is as much an abomination as are your pet abominations, Tim.

The differences, perceptions and nuances lie in how the consequences play out among us mortals based on values we attach.

I have not studied it out. But the Word says there is a sin unto death and there is a sin or sins that are not unto death. My point being if I as a pitiful mortal being can recognize the difference between giving someone a dirty look or lopping their head off.. Both sins. I know God judges and understands sins have different levels of evil.

[Hoovie]

Christian perfectionism?

It's our reliance on Christ that renders us perfect - not our actual ability to be perfect in deed.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I have not studied it out. But the Word says there is a sin unto death and there is a sin or sins that are not unto death. My point being if I as a pitiful mortal being can recognize the difference between giving someone a dirty look or lopping their head off.. Both sins. I know God judges and understands sins have different levels of evil.

You may be right. I would much prefer being cursed to my face, than gossiped about behind my back. Guess which one some Christians do the most? So which one is the greater sin?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I have not studied it out. But the Word says there is a sin unto death and there is a sin or sins that are not unto death. My point being if I as a pitiful mortal being can recognize the difference between giving someone a dirty look or lopping their head off.. Both sins. I know God judges and understands sins have different levels of evil.

All unrighteousness calls for the wrath of God ....

Romans 1

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

None righteous ... Tim ...

Romans 3

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

The wages of sin ... is death ...

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord

God is no respector of persons ... is a phrase that deals with how he views SIN ...

Romans 1 tells us the penalty as well ...

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them

While condemning those who think they are not "ungodly .... "

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Christian perfectionism?

It's our reliance on Christ that renders us perfect - not our actual ability to be perfect in deed.

Yes, sir.

Guys like Michael the Disciple preach another gospel ... when it comes to perfectionism.

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Cindy

We can have sinful thoughts, if we don't act upon them are we sinning?

Jesus said if we look (think) upon a woman to lust we have committed adultery in our heart... That would be sin. But.. Committing the sin in the physical realm is a worse level of sin to man and to God.

[DAII]

I firmly believe that some in Apostolica ... have not read Romans.

It's the book after Acts.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Just for the sake of discussion. Is there not different levels of sin? a simple example.. A man steals and feeds his family or the same man hits abuses and hurts his family. I think if we finite humans can understand the difference in sins.. Surely the allknowing God of heaven understands the difference. The blanket statement that sin is sin and it'll all take you to hell anyways so it's all the same has always been an ignorant thing for someone to say. God understands the intent and sees the ending when all we see through is a dark glass.

I think if we finite humans can understand the difference in sins.. Surely the allknowing God of heaven understands the difference.

It's exactly the opposite. Finite humans quantify sin, especially the West.

In the eyes of God, acting out in a way that displeases God, that disobeys him is all the same. Our unrighteousness is unrighteousness. Not good unrighteousness and worse unrighteousness. On a practical level, some sins have greater impact on others, and by their very nature have practical consequences that are greater. But in a spiritual sense, the load of guilt is all the same to God.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by DAII

I firmly believe that some in Apostolica ... have not read Romans.

It's the book after Acts.