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02-08-2011, 05:55 PM
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Re: Faith Without Works...
James is a condition of faith.
Galatians is a condition of salvation.
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02-08-2011, 05:58 PM
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Re: Faith Without Works...
I absolutely agree with how this thread is wrapping up 
That said, it's important to know that our obedience is judged by how we faithfully rely, trust in and depend on the Gospel to be the power for our salvation -- that is, Jesus.
Even though we may disobey, have sin, struggle, show our imperfections, if we are aware that Jesus is working in us, and we stay faithful to Him, then we are, in fact, staying obedient.
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02-08-2011, 06:07 PM
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Re: Faith Without Works...
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey
I absolutely agree with how this thread is wrapping up
That said, it's important to know that our obedience is judged by how we faithfully rely, trust in and depend on the Gospel to be the power for our salvation -- that is, Jesus.
Even though we may disobey, have sin, struggle, show our imperfections, if we are aware that Jesus is working in us, and we stay faithful to Him, then we are, in fact, staying obedient. |
Good words!!! I was going through something just recently and the Lord gave me this scripture today:
Isaiah 41:11 "By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me. (12) And as for me, thou upholdest me in mine integrity, and settest me before thy face for ever."
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02-08-2011, 06:32 PM
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mary
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Re: Faith Without Works...
Defining what "works" means might be beneficial. I've heard "works" defined in various sermons and conversations (on and off this board) as "standards", "Jewish laws and traditions", "deeds/actions"-which can be positive or negative depending on context, and "fruit". None of those would save us, and though some might show salvation, not all would. These might all work in various settings, but what say you?
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
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02-08-2011, 06:39 PM
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Love God, Love Your Neighbor
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Re: Faith Without Works...
(I've been sitting here singing away.....
"Faith without works is like a song you can't sing - it's about as useless as a screen door on a submarine..."
saw this thread title again, and realized why that song had suddenly gotten stuck in my head.  )
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02-08-2011, 06:44 PM
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Re: Faith Without Works...
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(I've been sitting here singing away.....
"Faith without works is like a song you can't sing - it's about as useless as a screen door on a submarine..."
saw this thread title again, and realized why that song had suddenly gotten stuck in my head. ) |
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't even put it out there. AWFUL!
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02-08-2011, 06:46 PM
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NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't even put it out there. AWFUL! |
It's not awful! I love that song!
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02-08-2011, 06:47 PM
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Re: Faith Without Works...
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It's not awful! I love that song! |
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02-08-2011, 06:52 PM
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Love God, Love Your Neighbor
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Re: Faith Without Works...
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I'm heading to the car, going to pop in my Rich Mullins cd!
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02-08-2011, 06:45 PM
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mary
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Re: Faith Without Works...
Thanks, AQP, now it's stuck in my head too!! 
faith without works is dead, and works without love is empty ( 1 Cor 13)...
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
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