Is Yeshua Your Father?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

A name is not important? Faith in WHO?

I never said the name is not important, I meant the name is a POINTER or SIGN to the PERSON. And whatever a person says for the name in whatever language it is said in is not the point. The point is that it must point a person's heart towards the One True God. A sign is important, but not as important as the direction the sign is pointing us.

If a person mispronounces the name or has a hare-lip, God knows Who the name is directed to, and that is the important thing. Correctly pronouncing a name or using a certain language offers no benefit over the other.

[NorCal]

The problem if have, is that there is no record that the actual name was Yeshua. That is only speculation. We have to go by what is hard fact. You can not prove that none of the other variations of the meaning "Jehovah has become salvation" is the proper Hebrew name.

Original Word: Ἰησοῦς
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
of Hebrew origin Yehoshua
of Hebrew origin (Yhowshuwa')
see HEBREW Yhovah
see HEBREW yasha'
see HEBREW Howshea'
see HEBREW Yeshuwa'

Using the name in your language is what is proper.
In English Jesus is the proper name.
In Spanish, Jesús is the proper name.

Most "Apostolics" would say you must use Iésous (Jesus) because that is the only recordings by the Apostles that was used, for they wrote in Greek not Hebrew.

That is my humble opinion.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I never said the name is not important, I meant the name is a POINTER or SIGN to the PERSON. And whatever a person says for the name in whatever language it is said in is not the point. The point is that it must point a person's heart towards the One True God. A sign is important, but not as important as the direction the sign is pointing us.

If a person mispronounces the name or has a hare-lip, God knows Who the name is directed to, and that is the important thing. Correctly pronouncing a name or using a certain language offers no benefit over the other.

The topic here was an attempt to show the beloved Oneness people yet another way to teach that he is indeed our Father. I was not demeaning the name of Jesus at all. Neither was I saying someone was in the wrong if they do not use Yeshua. So you should be ok with what I have said.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by NorCal

The problem if have, is that there is no record that the actual name was Yeshua. That is only speculation. We have to go by what is hard fact. You can not prove that none of the other variations of the meaning "Jehovah has become salvation" is the proper Hebrew name.

Original Word: Ἰησοῦς
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
of Hebrew origin Yehoshua
of Hebrew origin (Yhowshuwa')
see HEBREW Yhovah
see HEBREW yasha'
see HEBREW Howshea'
see HEBREW Yeshuwa'

Using the name in your language is what is proper.
In English Jesus is the proper name.
In Spanish, Jesús is the proper name.

Most "Apostolics" would say you must use Iésous (Jesus) because that is the only recordings by the Apostles that was used, for they wrote in Greek not Hebrew.

That is my humble opinion.

By the same token you certainly cannot prove the Apostles ever called the Messiah "Jesus". As late as the 1700's he was being called "Jesu"in English. Were those people wrong? Would it be wrong for English speakers NOW to call him that?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The topic here was an attempt to show the beloved Oneness people yet another way to teach that he is indeed our Father. I was not demeaning the name of Jesus at all. Neither was I saying someone was in the wrong if they do not use Yeshua. So you should be ok with what I have said.

I am ok with it. Just pointing out what I meant by the sound waves not being the issue as much as the identity those sound waves point us to when you questioned my intent.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The topic here was an attempt to show the beloved Oneness people yet another way to teach that he is indeed our Father. I was not demeaning the name of Jesus at all. Neither was I saying someone was in the wrong if they do not use Yeshua. So you should be ok with what I have said.

I was just questioning why use the Hebrew "Name" when you are speaking in English.

Now if you were speaking in Hebrew, I don't think it would be a problem.


But like one person said Jesus is my EVERYTHING!

[Sam]

My name is James and I am usually called Jim.

It is my understanding that the names "Jaime" and "Diego" are Spanish equivalents to "James." Back when I was a teenager some Mexicans called me Jaime but most of them called me Jeem. When I was in Mexico in 2004 people there called me Djeem.

[mfblume]

Michael the Disciple,

Here is the point in your use of the name and why people make reference to it. You are making an effort to use it rather than Jesus. Period.

You are doing so for a reason. It makes no difference to me, but you appear to be sending forth a message that others are incorrect to use the name JESUS, and they should be using Yehshua, despite your claim that is not the case. But it makes people ask themselves why bother to use "Yehshua" if it matters not? It takes more typing to type Yehshua. So, obviously you think it pleases the Lord to use it rather than not use it. So you make people suspicious, and some so much so that they address it. Me? I care less. Just telling why I think you are getting flack over it. Whether you intend it or not, it gives the impression of arrogance and that one person is "in the know" moreso than others.

Anyway, type what you want.

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Sam

My name is James and I am usually called Jim.

It is my understanding that the names "Jaime" and "Diego" are Spanish equivalents to "James." Back when I was a teenager some Mexicans called me Jaime but most of them called me Jeem. When I was in Mexico in 2004 people there called me Djeem.

Correct. My name is Timothy.
Timothy in English
Timoteo in Spanish
Timotheous in Greek
etc.

Still the same person, just use the language you are talking in. So in any language the word for "God's Honor" would be my name. And so as the name of God is "Jehovah is salvation", using that translation is a native tongue would be proper. It't is not about the phonics, but about the meaning!

[RandyWayne]

Likewise when I am talking to other people and say "yada yada my dad yada yada", they know who I am referring to.

Just a point to ponder.