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Old 06-03-2011, 06:46 PM
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MTD you drive me nuts. LOL. You go from the Hebrew name of Jesus and the Greek name for John in the same sentence. Consistency is powerful.

Yeshua and Yochanan (Salvation and Mercy)

On topic though.

We know that Hell was not designed for Mankind, but for the fallen Angels that will forever spend eternity in the lake of fire.

However, due to the fall of man in the Garden, Hell hath enlarged itself. Did more Angels fall? No. Still 1/3 of them. But hell hath enlarged itself for those men that reject the gift of salvation.
No scripture says a third of the angels fell. The verse you are thinking of refers to an end time event not something in the past. Im not saying there is no punishment for sin. I believe in eternal judgment just like scripture teaches. What I reject fully is that the wicked have eternal life. They do NOT have an immortal soul. Immortality is given only to the righteous.
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Old 06-03-2011, 06:50 PM
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Christ told Paul "My Grace is sufficient for thee" when Paul asked for a "thorn in his side" to be removed.

Paul was a murder. A Mass murder at that. I am sure there are a lot of memories that he wanted to forget.

I worked at a computer store doing repairs, and porn was a very common element there. Something that you encountered everyday. I, like Paul, saw and witnessed things that I wish I could remove from my memories. It is defiantly like a drug. All that you can do is remove yourself from that environment, and die daily at the cross. Have Faith in Christ, and he will make a way.
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:11 PM
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OK MTD answer the question. Will a saved apostolic person go to hell if he struggles with this addiction. Always asking for forgiveness and repenting truely feels sorry, Until these urges start again. How come the urges dont go away then forever. Whats up with that?
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:24 PM
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OK MTD answer the question. Will a saved apostolic person go to hell if he struggles with this addiction. Always asking for forgiveness and repenting truely feels sorry, Until these urges start again. How come the urges dont go away then forever. Whats up with that?
How come the person does not deny themselves forever? If they will not they will go to Hell. Bank on it.
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:37 PM
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OK MTD answer the question. Will a saved apostolic person go to hell if he struggles with this addiction. Always asking for forgiveness and repenting truely feels sorry, Until these urges start again. How come the urges dont go away then forever. Whats up with that?
well i just found out a man who had been in the apostlic church for 5 years, came out and admitted he was gay.
He stated the same thing you did, He prayed for the urges to go away to look at men. however i dont know how long he went before acting on those urges.
He still confesses he is christian, and that its ok to be gay. and that God is Love.
im still a little shocked over it.

then there are those who have suffered over great addictions and God has completly delivered them.

The bible says we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
I know that being Gay goes against the will of God, and he knows that it went against the will of God, but the difference between his addiction and yours.

is that He has made the decision to live the life the way he wants to. He isnt repenting over it, He doesnt want to change over it, and he believes that its ok in the sight of God

You however, have stated you want to change and that you truely do repent and feel sorry for it, your actually falling under conviction to the spirit and repenting.

Now im not trying to condone sin, but the fact is until we get that incorruptible body we have sinful flesh attached to us. and so i am reminded of the tax collector in the temple who because of his shame couldnt look up, but said Lord forgive me a sinner

(Luke 18:9-14)

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up unto the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”

so i would urge you to work out your salvation and give in to the conviction that God puts in your life.
Now im not saying your addiction is being gay im just using his addiction in contrast to anyone.

He accepted his addiction and just decided that He and God can live with it. were you are still getting convicted and listening to the Lord and still trying to work thought it.

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You however, have stated you want to change and that you truely do repent and feel sorry for it, your actually falling under conviction to the spirit and repenting.

Someone understands I am actually in tears now!!!!
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How come the person does not deny themselves forever? If they will not they will go to Hell. Bank on it.
so your sinless? you dont sin anymore? your sin free? have you ever repeated a sin when you know it was wrong then told your self i didnt mean to?
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You however, have stated you want to change and that you truely do repent and feel sorry for it, your actually falling under conviction to the spirit and repenting.

Someone understands I am actually in tears now!!!!
God bless you richly my dear brother.
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so your sinless? you dont sin anymore? your sin free? have you ever repeated a sin when you know it was wrong then told your self i didnt mean to?
What do you think a Christian cannot overcome sin? I thought it was normal Christianity to be like Jesus? If we have committed sin we need to quickly repent. If we struggle then STRUGGLE! We are called to be good soldiers of Christ. Not everyone is going to make it but by faith we can be one of the few that does.

By faith embrace the love and passion of Jesus Christ! Dont be lukewarm about your prayers and praise to him. Its in that LOVE AND INTIMACY where you will be empowered to overcome.
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What do you think a Christian cannot overcome sin? I thought it was normal Christianity to be like Jesus? If we have committed sin we need to quickly repent. If we struggle then STRUGGLE! We are called to be good soldiers of Christ. Not everyone is going to make it but by faith we can be one of the few that does.

By faith embrace the love and passion of Jesus Christ! Dont be lukewarm about your prayers and praise to him. Its in that LOVE AND INTIMACY where you will be empowered to overcome.
you didnt answer my question.

Do you walk around and commit any sin? or are you sin free and dont need to repent?

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