Gateway College Folding to UGST

[coadie]

Originally Posted by NorCal

It would be great for the Apostolic Faith to have an equivalent to BYU.

That is the Utah Mormons.

The Missouri Mormons RLDS have Graceland University. They had sports a while. Bruce Jenner attended there. I met him a couple years after the Olympics for him. He is the step dad of the Kim Kardashians and sistas.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Charnock

I don't believe TBC, CLC or ABI have attempted accreditation so there is really no comparison. It's my understanding that Gateway wants to become more than a Bible College, they want to become a liberal arts institution.

I would think everyone in the org would jump up and down for joy if UGST could accomplish what Gateway has been trying to accomplish for the past 20 years.

It would be an enormous step forward for the org. Perhaps the most significant step forward of my lifetime. And, no, that is not hyperbole. I can think of nothing else that even touches it in comparison.

You are right, Charn,

Who knows how many HUNDREDS of bible college graduates there are that had to "start over" at a .edu institution because their transcripts were not "accredited"....
I agree it is about time!

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't know if that's the best comparison to make. While BYU's "secular" efforts are very good, its also known as a center for the attempted substantiation of a fraudulent view of human history. Their media programs and especially their television channel offer ridiculous programming which all make the most outlandish claims.

When the UPC as a whole enters the realm of real scholarship, will they be able to withstand a rigorous peer review? It's the avoidance of critical examination that has prompted UPCers to seek their own schools in the first place.

Hmmm. It's the avoidance of critical examination that has prompted UPCers to seek their own schools in the first place I think is partially right.

The Oneness doctrine can stand up to scrutiny depending on how it is semantically explained. Dr. Gerry Breshears is the Theology Dept head at Western Seminary in Portland (w/a campus in NorCal). He is someone that I got to know while studying at the seminary. We discussed the explanation of the incarnation and how he viewed the oneness position, and he told me "It's more about semantics than anything else". He also agrees w/the oneness position that the sonship was not pre-existent (and that the WORD read Logos...Was!). Most vehemence I have encountered in oneness concerning the godhead is the confusion of what trinityism is as opposed to tritheism. And I have NEVER personally met a pentecostal (AofG to COGIC) that believes there are three gods, which some oneness people are in the habit of claiming that trinitarians believe. I'm glad Gateway is taking the right steps to accreditation.
Now if they would just loosen their standards!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't know if that's the best comparison to make. While BYU's "secular" efforts are very good, its also known as a center for the attempted substantiation of a fraudulent view of human history. Their media programs and especially their television channel offer ridiculous programming which all make the most outlandish claims....

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Well, that ought to work for the UPC too.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Not sure of ABI or TBC - however, I do know that CLC has attempted accreditation in the past. I don't ask about it any more. I know when they lost Dr. Segraves, it probably hampered their efforts in a huge way.

According to Richard Bishop, a Staff Member, CLC has no plans to become accredited and is moving towards a short term ministry school model.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Oh yeah....... I meant to say - Glad to see that Gateway is taking this step.

In the past, it was the dream of Bishop Haney that CLC become a liberal arts college able to offer degrees in business, media communications, education, etc etc. Dr. Segraves (along with several others) supported Bishop Haney's dream and worked very hard to help it come to pass. Not sure where they stand now.

The Current Pastor is most likely not in favor, also CLC has difficulty in retaining staff with the right credentials. That is not a slam, but a reality.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Hmmm. It's the avoidance of critical examination that has prompted UPCers to seek their own schools in the first place I think is partially right.

The Oneness doctrine can stand up to scrutiny depending on how it is semantically explained. Dr. Gerry Breshears is the Theology Dept head at Western Seminary in Portland (w/a campus in NorCal). He is someone that I got to know while studying at the seminary. We discussed the explanation of the incarnation and how he viewed the oneness position, and he told me "It's more about semantics than anything else". He also agrees w/the oneness position that the sonship was not pre-existent (and that the WORD read Logos...Was!). Most vehemence I have encountered in oneness concerning the godhead is the confusion of what trinityism is as opposed to tritheism. And I have NEVER personally met a pentecostal (AofG to COGIC) that believes there are three gods, which some oneness people are in the habit of claiming that trinitarians believe. I'm glad Gateway is taking the right steps to accreditation.
Now if they would just loosen their standards!

There is no more Trinitarian that David Eckman PhD at Western Seminary, but he was OK with our interpretation of the Godhead.

[Sabby]

PK, are you still in Western's neighborhood?