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Re: PCI lite
I need a PCI person to exegisis, or whatever its called, Acts 2:38 for me please
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09-17-2011, 01:39 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Amanah
are TF Tenney and TD Jakes one steppers, my mind is reeling atm.
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i don't know if tft is a one stepper but i know he fellowships trinnies. Jetezen franklin is one he fellowships. i heard jetezen on today's program quote the great commission as, "go ye into all the world, baptizing them in the name of the lord jesus christ" no kidding, my jaw dropped, i am sure he is familiar with upc doctrine.
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09-17-2011, 01:41 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
you know hoovie, dkb has a new book called "holy spirit and justification". i haven't read it yet, but am assuming he is going to teach that the hs is required for justification.
I had a conversation with a jewish person on paltalk and she asked me, "what is the difference between a jewish person who believes in God and keeps the law and a good christian who doesn't keep the law"? is one more righteous than the other? her question got me to thinking that the real difference between the 2 covenants is the role of the holy spirit. i am wondering if it is the holy spirit that makes us righteous after faith or if it solely faith. i never liked the saying by faith alone, i think it adds to the scripture. that is why i am eager to read dkb's book. what are your thoughts on what makes us righteous and what do you see as the role of the hs in that process?
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Well, I would certainly reject the notion that I am made righteous by the keeping of anything... There is of course human righteousness which is not a terrible thing in it'self. The problem is, it's always less than perfect and is therefore never, ever salvific for anyone.
About the Holy Spirit's role... I see the Holy Spirit having an active role in the lives of people even before conversion. He is THE operative force in bringing us to initial repentance and initiation into the body of Christ. So I would agree the Holy Spirit is needed for justification, and not just relegated to a subsequent event when one might speak in tongues.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-17-2011, 01:43 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
i don't know if tft is a one stepper but i know he fellowships trinnies. Jetezen franklin is one he fellowships. i heard jetezen on today's program quote the great commission as, "go ye into all the world, baptizing them in the name of the lord jesus christ" no kidding, my jaw dropped, i am sure he is familiar with upc doctrine.
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LOL! Hey i like UPC doctrine about as much as the next guy, but it does not give license for misquoting scripture! 
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-17-2011, 01:44 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Amanah
I need a PCI person to exegisis, or whatever its called, Acts 2:38 for me please |
i think if you search "one step" or pci on this forum, you will find a few threads. we have hacked this horse to death. dan alicea was the main proponent. you might want to search his section, the da's office. bottom section of forum.
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09-17-2011, 01:57 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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I need a PCI person to exegisis, or whatever its called, Acts 2:38 for me please |
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
i think if you search "one step" or pci on this forum, you will find a few threads. we have hacked this horse to death. dan alicea was the main proponent. you might want to search his section, the da's office. bottom section of forum.
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i searched one step and pci and the top 3 threads were ones that you bumped. not sure if results are by date or relevance in thread title. i'm sure there are more threads and polls but i don't have the patience for research. where is renda when you need her (probably drooling over perry). lol jk
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09-17-2011, 02:14 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Hoovie
First, yes I do believe a sinner is forgiven when he calls on the name of the Lord in repentance. This is when he becomes a Christian. He should then be baptized immediately (or at least soon) and receive the Holy Spirit.
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In this view it works like this:
He who believes and is saved SHOULD BE baptized
Problem is Jesus said He who believes AND IS baptized shall be saved
They do a subtle shift in the meaning of Jesus words.
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09-17-2011, 02:17 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
In this view it works like this:
He who believes and is saved SHOULD BE baptized
Problem is Jesus said He who believes AND IS baptized shall be saved
They do a subtle shift in the meaning of Jesus words.
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If you are asking whether I think baptism is optional - I do not. All true believers will be baptized IMO.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-17-2011, 02:21 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Amanah
are you saying that you believe in baptism in Jesus Name and speaking in tongues, but believe salvation is at repentance?
if that were true, then who else would be included in the body? everyone who has repented? Catholics, Mormons, Protestants of all sorts, Baptists, lots of people have repented, AoG, Jehovah Witnesses, etc.?
if this were true, the what is the point of saying, repent, be baptized and receive the HG?
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Exactly! Thank you for this post. 
"But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9
There is no getting around this scripture. It's not even up for debate in my book.
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09-17-2011, 02:24 PM
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Re: PCI lite
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Exactly! Thank you for this post.
"But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9
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Amen.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Well, I would certainly reject the notion that I am made righteous by the keeping of anything... There is of course human righteousness which is not a terrible thing in it'self. The problem is, it's always less than perfect and is therefore never, ever salvific for anyone.
About the Holy Spirit's role... I see the Holy Spirit having an active role in the lives of people even before conversion. He is THE operative force in bringing us to initial repentance and initiation into the body of Christ. So I would agree the Holy Spirit is needed for justification, and not just relegated to a subsequent event when one might speak in tongues.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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