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09-28-2011, 01:32 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: He who restraineth???
MTA is the restrainer? Please tell me that you are not ref. to the book of Daniel where MTA quarrels with the P.O.P. or the NT ref. where MTA simply tells Satan, the Lord rebuke thee.
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09-28-2011, 10:32 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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No that's not the implcation no more than Jesus coming down from heaven means He ceased being God by no longer being omnipresent.
That verse does not say the Spirit left. It says "caused to be out of the middle" literally
The Spirit isn't being removed from the earth. The Spirit is being removed from the duty of restraining the lawless one
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That sounds better for sure. However, if that is the case, then it is a redundant point, I think, since God's Spirit would ultimately be behind anything that is restrained.
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09-28-2011, 11:12 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
TIME is "...what withholdeth that he [i.e., Anti-Christ] might be revealed in his [own appointed] time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: [that is] only he who now letteth will let [that is to say, the passage of TIME], until he be taken out of the way." (emphasis added).
Consider this which might enable one to grasp why TIME is that which presently prevents the manifestation of the "man of sin... the son of perdition":
From the beginning God established a plan wherein all things would occur at the "TIME" which He prescribed; such shall it be when the Anti-Christ will make his debut.... and not one moment before! In like manner as He established a specific moment that He would become manifest in a human body, thus shall it be for the "man of sin's" manifestation upon the earth.
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09-28-2011, 11:27 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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TIME is "...what withholdeth that he [i.e., Anti-Christ] might be revealed in his [own appointed] time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: [that is] only he who now letteth will let [that is to say, the passage of TIME], until he be taken out of the way." (emphasis added).
Consider this which might enable one to grasp why TIME is that which presently prevents the manifestation of the "man of sin... the son of perdition":
From the beginning God established a plan wherein all things would occur at the "TIME" which He prescribed; such shall it be when the Anti-Christ will make his debut.... and not one moment before! In like manner as He established a specific moment that He would become manifest in a human body, thus shall it be for the "man of sin's" manifestation upon the earth.
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That is what I once believed when I was a futurist.
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09-28-2011, 11:50 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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That is what I once believed when I was a futurist.
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Mike, I'm truly saddened to have already discovered that you still aren't. And no, thanks, I don't want to engage in a debate about alternative beliefs of end-time prophecy... been there, done that! (BTW, I am not a proponent/adherent of so-called "Rapturist" teachings, but do embrace a belief in a future resurrection of the righteous.)
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09-28-2011, 12:54 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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That sounds better for sure. However, if that is the case, then it is a redundant point, I think, since God's Spirit would ultimately be behind anything that is restrained.
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How is it redundant? My point is redundant? I was answering a question as to who "he" refers to. I don't see how that is redundant
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09-28-2011, 03:12 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
The restrainer is michael the archangel
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09-28-2011, 08:26 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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How is it redundant? My point is redundant? I was answering a question as to who "he" refers to. I don't see how that is redundant
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Your response is not redundant. Answering the point with your opinion is not redundant. I was saying that it would be redundant for Paul to imply the Holy Ghost being the restrainer if it was indeed the Holy Ghost he referred to. For that reason, I think it cannot be the Holy Ghost, is all I am saying.
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09-28-2011, 08:28 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Mike, I'm truly saddened to have already discovered that you still aren't. And no, thanks, I don't want to engage in a debate about alternative beliefs of end-time prophecy... been there, done that! (BTW, I am not a proponent/adherent of so-called "Rapturist" teachings, but do embrace a belief in a future resurrection of the righteous.)
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It always amazed me how people take prophecy leanings to this extent that you claim you are saddened, especially when I still believe in a future resurrection, too. Whatever. I, also, have not discussed this with many here who truly and objectively discussed it when we dialogued. Most will not consider anything that disagrees with their present view, so they are not even dialoguing, really.
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09-28-2011, 08:36 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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The restrainer is michael the archangel
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You're the second one who said that here, and I am surprised I never heard that view before.
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