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10-06-2011, 03:54 PM
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Re: Restoration?
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This verse is not speaking to ministers being restored to the Ministry but is speaking of spiritual restoration
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Maybe I left too much unsaid regarding the restoration of ministry. By no stretch of the imagination did I mean that a minister should automatically be restored to his position. When I think of someone being restored to a pulpit ministry, I firmly believe that there should be a time of proving and regaining trust - and it may not ever be possible for that person to go back to ministry in the same location they were - but I do believe that it is possible. JMHO
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10-06-2011, 04:33 PM
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Re: Restoration?
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Maybe I left too much unsaid regarding the restoration of ministry. By no stretch of the imagination did I mean that a minister should automatically be restored to his position. When I think of someone being restored to a pulpit ministry, I firmly believe that there should be a time of proving and regaining trust - and it may not ever be possible for that person to go back to ministry in the same location they were - but I do believe that it is possible. JMHO
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That's still beside the point. These scriptures all concern spiritual restoration. That is the point to my thread. These verses all relate to saints...not to a class of people in the church who are called "ministers"
These verses simply do not apply to being restored TO a position of authority. They are all about spiritual restoration
I don't see any scriptures addressing that topic
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-06-2011, 06:08 PM
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Re: Restoration?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That's still beside the point. These scriptures all concern spiritual restoration. That is the point to my thread. These verses all relate to saints...not to a class of people in the church who are called "ministers"
These verses simply do not apply to being restored TO a position of authority. They are all about spiritual restoration
I don't see any scriptures addressing that topic
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I guess I don't understand why you think it can't be a position of authority? It doesn't specifically say it can't. I don't read it that way. If someone has the call of God on their life - can't that be a part of "spiritual restoration"? I don't read it as limiting to saints only. JMHO
Are you having an issue with this particular situation with someone you know? Why are you harping on it?
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10-06-2011, 07:42 PM
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Re: Restoration?
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Are you having an issue with this particular situation with someone you know? Why are you harping on it?
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10-06-2011, 10:45 PM
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Re: Restoration?
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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea
I guess I don't understand why you think it can't be a position of authority? It doesn't specifically say it can't. I don't read it that way. If someone has the call of God on their life - can't that be a part of "spiritual restoration"? I don't read it as limiting to saints only. JMHO
Are you having an issue with this particular situation with someone you know? Why are you harping on it?
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Because it doesn't say "If a Pastor falls away, you who are spiritual restore such a one back to their office"
Gal 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
See? It's not about losing a job. Not about losing a position. It's about sinning and being restored
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-06-2011, 10:46 PM
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Re: Restoration?
BTW I didn't say it was limited to saints as though a Pastor is not a saint
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-07-2011, 06:14 AM
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Re: Restoration?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No scripture so far speaks of restoring someone to a position. They were all about restoring a saint spiritually
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10-07-2011, 06:16 AM
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Re: Restoration?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Because it doesn't say "If a Pastor falls away, you who are spiritual restore such a one back to their office"
Gal 6:1 Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
See? It's not about losing a job. Not about losing a position. It's about sinning and being restored |
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10-07-2011, 06:19 AM
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Re: Restoration?
A truly repentant minister would most likely not feel worthy of being restored to a position of authority. I'd imagine the church would have to nearly push him back into leadership... and of course God might bring to pass providential circumstances.
No fallen minister is entitled to restoration with regards to position.
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10-07-2011, 06:37 AM
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Re: Restoration?
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Originally Posted by Aquila
A truly repentant minister would most likely not feel worthy of being restored to a position of authority. I'd imagine the church would have to nearly push him back into leadership... and of course God might bring to pass providential circumstances.
No fallen minister is entitled to restoration with regards to position.
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