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02-28-2012, 12:14 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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As a member of the Untra-Con I ask, how can we reach the lost, if we do not associate with them? We can shine all we want, but if it just hidden under a bed it is useless!
There is a difference between associating with them and being a part of them.
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Great post!
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02-29-2012, 03:03 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
This seems to have been a meeting that was more than just associating, and closer to joining. I am concerned that this is just going to be the start of greater compromises. I read the pdf, and this sounds like a meeting where doctrinal distinctives and truths were ignored in favor of compromise. I would say that this was closer to a meeting of used to be holiness groups.
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02-29-2012, 03:56 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by Jay
This seems to have been a meeting that was more than just associating, and closer to joining. I am concerned that this is just going to be the start of greater compromises. I read the pdf, and this sounds like a meeting where doctrinal distinctives and truths were ignored in favor of compromise. I would say that this was closer to a meeting of used to be holiness groups.
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I can tell you this, Rev Bernard is no slackie when it comes to Holiness Standards. He teaches it right out of the bible.
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02-29-2012, 06:13 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
From what I have seen, it does not seem as if there is much holding the UPC to its roots. There are still many good men in it, but it seems as if there are many attempting to remove the remaining standards that they hold. Then with DKB attending this meeting, it looks like the overall situation is made for compromising everything.
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02-29-2012, 07:24 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
Jay is your church/background WPF?
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02-29-2012, 09:39 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
We are aligned with the WPF, we are perhaps in a more moderate postition now, but we would be allied to the more conservative faction (and t.here are conservatives and liberals).
I am very distressed to see the way that the UPC is going. I know of good men who have said that they will not remain if it changes much more. I will not name names.
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02-29-2012, 10:31 PM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by Jay
From what I have seen, it does not seem as if there is much holding the UPC to its roots. There are still many good men in it, but it seems as if there are many attempting to remove the remaining standards that they hold. Then with DKB attending this meeting, it looks like the overall situation is made for compromising everything.
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Jay is your church/background WPF?
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Originally Posted by Jay
We are aligned with the WPF, we are perhaps in a more moderate postition now, but we would be allied to the more conservative faction (and t.here are conservatives and liberals).
I am very distressed to see the way that the UPC is going. I know of good men who have said that they will not remain if it changes much more. I will not name names.
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So I think any thoughts you have about DKB "compromising everthing" is suspect at best.
He is after all, responsible for making WPFers choose between the UPC and a newly spawned group formed in protest to allowing old advertising technology!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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03-01-2012, 03:22 AM
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Loving God, His Word, His Name
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
Could this be used to let people see the truth of Jesus name baptism and Holy Spirit baptism? I pray this could be the outcome of this whole situation.
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03-01-2012, 11:13 AM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
This may be an opportunity for all that attend to learn more about each others real beliefs. and maybe a chance for them to find out how to search the scriptures for the truth.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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03-01-2012, 11:40 AM
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Re: UPC at Wesleyan Holiness Consortium
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Originally Posted by Cindy
This may be an opportunity for all that attend to learn more about each others real beliefs. and maybe a chance for them to find out how to search the scriptures for the truth.
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Bingo! I am very happy that David Bernard is engaged, and humble enough to contribute to discussion of diverse brethren with similar goals.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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