Science of Creation

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by forgivenson

I am not talking about the forces of the spinning tire, rather that they are going at different speeds....relatively.

But they move at the same angular speed...

[forgivenson]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

THIS location for our planet and not one more central to our Galaxy.

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I watched a documentary that explained: Of all the places in 'our galaxy' we could be 'placed'...where we are 'under the edge' and near a fairly uncongested part of the galaxie.....gives us a better 'view' of everything around us. Otherwise we would not be able to see what we do.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I thot Loki was the god of "luck?"

No, he is the god of deception. Haven't you seen "Thor" yet?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by forgivenson

I watched a documentary that explained: Of all the places in 'our galaxy' we could be 'placed'...where we are 'under the edge' and near a fairly uncongested part of the galaxie.....gives us a better 'view' of everything around us. Otherwise we would not be able to see what we do.

Indeed. A better view as well as a place with far less interaction with other solar systems and less exposure to radiation.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

No, he is the god of deception. Haven't you seen "Thor" yet?

Ah, no. But those guys were multi-purpose anyway.

[Austin]

I get a BIG BANG everytime I read this forum!!!!

[Nitehawk013]

It would not take billions of years for that light to reach us if the rate of the universes expansion was variable correct? For instance, assuming the universe were created 6-10 thousand years ago as I believe to be true, lets say God created everythign in the same literal 6 day period. Now, that includes these systems that according to modern science are thousands of light years away. But in the beginning they wouldn't have had to be that far away. If they were created much closer to our system and then "pushed" away by God just after the creation at a great speed, then we could have a universe where it appears that it took billions of years of expansion ( and 25000 light years for the light to reach us) when in reality, it may not have.

Further, despite the fact that it makes some think I am a loon, I am not convinced all these galaxies and systems actually are out there. They show me pics form the Hubble or other telescopes, and they look impressive, but I have seen things that look just like them from under a microscope and even from looking at things through a drop of water in the sunlight. In other words, what is the proof that they aren't just seeing distortion or a "trick of the eye" and yet they are more than happy to proclaim that they are distant galaxies and solar systems so far away that we will likely NEVER be able to see them and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are really there.

I'm a skeptic when it comes to things of that nature. Sorry. I don't believe in aliens either. LOL.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

So your God is a Loki god (god of lies)? All this false history of things that never actually happened. Stars that went Nova where there is the evidence of the explosion but never an actual explosion sort of like creating the cloud from an exploding stick of dynamite without there ever having been the dynamite? Light that took billions of years to get here -even being bent by traveling around other stars (called 'gravity lensing') in the process, but apparently only made to LOOK like it took a long time to get here.

Randy,

Is God a "Loki god (god of lies)" if He has disclosed the truth in His Word? Since God has disclosed what He did in the creation, isn't it more appropriate to discribe us as playing "doubting Thomas", a people unwilling to take the creator's own testimony of His own actions?

There are too many variables to consider when reviewing natural history. And perhaps even more that we've not even considered at this point. Remember, we have fossiles that do not conform to various strata. Some have even claimed to have found traces of human life in stata that dates tens of millions of years old, far further back than mankind is believed to have existed.

[Aquila]

One creation theory that those who are "scientifically inclined" might enjoy is, Creation and Evolution, by Alan Hayward:

http://www.amazon.com/Creation-Evolu...2772926&sr=1-1

Alan proposes that the creation narrartive includes parenthetical statements. Essentially this theory proposes that God did speak during a literal six day period. However, the results of his words weren’t seen until billions of years later. That would mean that our entire world, no matter how long the results took to take place, were the results of God’s creative word spoken during a week’s time. It would read like this,

Genesis 1:1-31
{1:1} In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth. {1:2} And the earth was without form, and void; and
darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of
God moved upon the face of the waters.
{1:3} And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light.

({1:4} And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and
God divided the light from the darkness. {1:5} And God
called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.)

And the evening and the morning were the first day.
{1:6} And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst
of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

({1:7} And God made the firmament, and divided the waters
which [were] under the firmament from the waters which
[were] above the firmament: and it was so. {1:8} And God
called the firmament Heaven.

And the evening and the morning were the second day.
{1:9} And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be
gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land]
appear: and it was so.

{1:10} And God called the dry [land]
Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he
Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.

{1:11} And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and]
the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in
itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

{1:12} And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after
his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

{1:13} And the
evening and the morning were the third day.
{1:14} And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament
of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them
be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
{1:15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the
heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

{1:16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the
day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars
also. {1:17} And God set them in the firmament of the
heaven to give light upon the earth, {1:18} And to rule over
the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the
darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.

{1:19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. {1:20} And
God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the
earth in the open firmament of heaven.

{1:21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth,
which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it
was] good. {1:22} And God blessed them, saying, Be
fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let
fowl multiply in the earth.

{1:23} And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
{1:24} And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living
creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast
of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

{1:25} And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after
their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after
his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

{1:26} And God said, Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish
of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth.

{1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and
female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and
God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish
the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of
the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living
thing that moveth upon the earth.

{1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every
herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth,
and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding
seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast
of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing
that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have
given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.

{1:31} And
God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was]
very good.

And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I found this interpretation interesting.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Randy,

Is God a "Loki god (god of lies)" if He has disclosed the truth in His Word? Since God has disclosed what He did in the creation, isn't it more appropriate to discribe us as playing "doubting Thomas", a people unwilling to take the creator's own testimony of His own actions?

There are too many variables to consider when reviewing natural history. And perhaps even more that we've not even considered at this point. Remember, we have fossiles that do not conform to various strata. Some have even claimed to have found traces of human life in stata that dates tens of millions of years old, far further back than mankind is believed to have existed.

There are a number of instances of fossil "evidence" that even Young Earthers don't use anymore -at least the honest ones.

The simple fact is that if a man is standing in freshly fallen snow and there is a 10 mile trail of footprints behind him, it is safe to assume that he actually walked that path. Young Earthers want us to believe that God created him where he was and then created the footprints behind him and that the man never actually made them with his feet -even though they match his stride, foot size, and even the tread on his boots soles.

And yes, we were all created 2 seconds ago with a lifetime of false memories implanted in us by Loki, errrr, I mean God. Now disprove it.