I have to wonder about the inputs that leads a person to act out in such a manner.
It is acting out. Petulent children act out.
If my friend acted in such a manner, my first response would be to reconsider the relationship.
Do I want to be associated with someone who acts in such an ungodly manner... in the Name of God?
Just trying to love on him brother... Just trying to be who I think Jesus would be... Jesus knew how Judas would stab him in the back and betray him, but he still befriended him. I'm upfront and honest with him, am truthful of when I think he's out of line, and try to provide a contrast in perspective. He knows he doesn't have my approval, and everyong we know knows I don't condone it... but I'm just trying to love on him until Jesus says distance yourself.
And to the person who asked why he was invited? The pastor of this church is his uncle..... yep, his uncle!!!!!!!
Just trying to love on him brother... Just trying to be who I think Jesus would be... Jesus knew how Judas would stab him in the back and betray him, but he still befriended him. I'm upfront and honest with him, am truthful of when I think he's out of line, and try to provide a contrast in perspective. He knows he doesn't have my approval, and everyong we know knows I don't condone it... but I'm just trying to love on him until Jesus says distance yourself.
And to the person who asked why he was invited? The pastor of this church is his uncle..... yep, his uncle!!!!!!!
you are a good man Brother Robbins.
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Just trying to love on him brother... Just trying to be who I think Jesus would be... Jesus knew how Judas would stab him in the back and betray him, but he still befriended him. I'm upfront and honest with him, am truthful of when I think he's out of line, and try to provide a contrast in perspective. He knows he doesn't have my approval, and everyong we know knows I don't condone it... but I'm just trying to love on him until Jesus says distance yourself.
And to the person who asked why he was invited? The pastor of this church is his uncle..... yep, his uncle!!!!!!!
Well...I was trying to figure out what could have possibly made him feel so "at home" by laying into the congregation with his testimony.
Here it is...pastor is his uncle.
I've found that people say and do hurtful things more to family than to their peers because they have this so-called "safe feeling". They know how much they can get away with...sometimes even with outrageous behavior, their family forgives them.
Would he have done this in one of the larger churches to congregations who would not have put up with it?
So...he dug his hole, now he will have to eat crow with his family, unless they let him get by with his actions.
Sincere new converts will not let this fiasco deter them from living for God. God still takes care of His little ones.
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Well...I was trying to figure out what could have possibly made him feel so "at home" by laying into the congregation with his testimony.
Here it is...pastor is his uncle.
I've found that people say and do hurtful things more to family than to their peers because they have this so-called "safe feeling". They know how much they can get away with...sometimes even with outrageous behavior, their family forgives them.
Would he have done this in one of the larger churches to congregations who would not have put up with it?
So...he dug his hole, now he will have to eat crow with his family, unless they let him get by with his actions.
Sincere new converts will not let this fiasco deter them from living for God. God still takes care of His little ones.
LOL, Sorry, you're giving him way too much benefit of the doubt... known him for years. I've seen him walk into Apostolic churches, and the pastor come up and never know him from Adam. Us introduce ourselves, the pastor realize we're ministers, and welcome us. The pastor ask us to stand and greet the people and give a word of testimony... as is very common in special Revivals etc in the Apostolic churches around here.
I've always just greeeted, tried to say about 2 or 3 minutes of something encouraging and thank them for welcoming us.... and it never fails... if they don't line up with my brother's ruler... even if they are complete strangers, he'll take up to 15 minutes of "laying into them". Twice I have went to the pastor afterwards and said, I'm so sorry for what the guy I came with did. Both invited me back, but said please don't bring him, LOL.
I don't visit services with him and his good wife anymore... too much danger. Last time he did this, was a service with over 300 in attendance. I wanted to crawl under my chair.
Could be... but hardly as damaging as doing it in a service, where there are new converts, possibly some lost folks, young people, etc. The immediate damage of their stinging words and stinking attitude causes much more damage than someone taking a swing in this forum at someone. Bragging over that level of damage and harm is almost to the level of an abomination to me.
I'll say this... yes, I'm conservative, and yes I have some strong convictions and beliefs. But I will never approach the pulpti with an agenda or vindetta. God didn't call me to set anybody straight. I preach the Word, and lay the meal before them. They decide to eat or not. Yes, the Word should challenge us all... but was never meant to be a weapon used on one another... but a tool.
I reminded by friend again this morning that Ephesians 4 says that he was called for the "perfecting" or literally the "equipping" of the saints. I asked him via text, who did you equip last night? Who did you give something to last night that made them stronger in their walk with God, that encouraged them to keep on going on when they made the effort to come out to Revival on a Thursday night... who did you equip by "laying into them."
He hasn't texted back... and may not.... oh well.
Going to have to disagree with you to a point on the bolded. A forum isn't a service - but- it can (and this one does) impact a far greater number of people.
Going to have to disagree with you to a point on the bolded. A forum isn't a service - but- it can (and this one does) impact a far greater number of people.
May be a larger number of folks, but most folks that approach an online forum come expecting dissenting opinions, provocative discussions, and disagreements. People enter in a forum like this expecting opposing views for discussion, thereby most come with some defenses in place and let "lay into them" comments roll off of them pretty easy. It doesn't create as much division and disharmony as this is not the same type of gathering. The number of folks may be larger... but the impact is less deep because of the nature most approach it with.
Most folks don't expect to attend a Revival meeting at their own church and have some little preacher that is visiting get up and tell them how wrong they are and how they're going to split hell wide open when he was asked to greet them and testify. It's an unexpected shot from left field for them...
Just trying to love on him brother... Just trying to be who I think Jesus would be... Jesus knew how Judas would stab him in the back and betray him, but he still befriended him. I'm upfront and honest with him, am truthful of when I think he's out of line, and try to provide a contrast in perspective. He knows he doesn't have my approval, and everyong we know knows I don't condone it... but I'm just trying to love on him until Jesus says distance yourself.
May be a larger number of folks, but most folks that approach an online forum come expecting dissenting opinions, provocative discussions, and disagreements. People enter in a forum like this expecting opposing views for discussion, thereby most come with some defenses in place and let "lay into them" comments roll off of them pretty easy. It doesn't create as much division and disharmony as this is not the same type of gathering. The number of folks may be larger... but the impact is less deep because of the nature most approach it with.
Most folks don't expect to attend a Revival meeting at their own church and have some little preacher that is visiting get up and tell them how wrong they are and how they're going to split hell wide open when he was asked to greet them and testify. It's an unexpected shot from left field for them...
And I have to disagree with you. I don't know why the dynamics of this forum change sometimes. Sometimes vile, hateful words spew out of people's hearts, and cut other people's heart. The difference is here they get called out on it some. Maybe if you had called this "brother out" on his behavior it might change things. Since your "loving" him hasn't. But, I guess it might be hard to be that courageous for the people he is laying into. Hope this isn't too critical.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Going to have to disagree with you to a point on the bolded. A forum isn't a service - but- it can (and this one does) impact a far greater number of people.
Yep
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
About a year after we were married, my wife's church (and now mine by default) had gotten a new pastor a few months before and he started teaching a class to married couples (only) just before Sunday morning service. To this day his teachings on "marital relations" were so out of whack and over the top (and I've mentioned it here many times) that people still can't believe it. After the class was over we looked at each other and left the building before the service even started.
We never went back (OK, we did once for a wedding and again a year or so later for a funeral) as members.
I guess this doesn't qualify as "walking out during the service" while it is going on but it is the closest example I/we have.
As I think about it more there have been a few times over many years where I was sick and left early..... (I tend to get very bad ear infections.)
What was he teaching?
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