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10-19-2012, 11:44 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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10-19-2012, 11:54 AM
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Re: John McCain
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War is not a Christian value.
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Whether it is or not, men and women who choose to defend our great country and put themselves in harms way to do so deserve our respect.
Disrespect isn't a Christian value, either.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-19-2012, 01:20 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Whether it is or not, men and women who choose to defend our great country and put themselves in harms way to do so deserve our respect.
Disrespect isn't a Christian value, either.
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It's disrespectful to Christian principle to justify war and killing.
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10-19-2012, 01:37 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by Dante
It's disrespectful to Christian principle to justify war and killing.
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What does that have to do with being respectful of those who sacrifice their lives for our freedom? I think you can manage both--as a Christian.
Pacifism doesn't require political activism. In fact, the same principles that lead one to pacifism should also lead one to be kind to those who participate in things with which we disagree.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-19-2012, 03:23 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
What does that have to do with being respectful of those who sacrifice their lives for our freedom? I think you can manage both--as a Christian.
Pacifism doesn't require political activism. In fact, the same principles that lead one to pacifism should also lead one to be kind to those who participate in things with which we disagree.
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Killers (warmongers) are not worthy of respect. The scriptures say to give honor where honor is due, and murderers are not worthy of honor.
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10-19-2012, 03:29 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by Dante
Killers (warmongers) are not worthy of respect. The scriptures say to give honor where honor is due, and murderers are not worthy of honor.
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And from that very same passage that says "honour to whom honour":
Romans 13:1-5
"13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."
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Do you find anywhere in the New Testament, when Jesus spoke to soldiers or members of the military where He spend anytime castigating them for their occupation?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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10-19-2012, 03:31 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
And from that very same passage that says "honour to whom honour":
Romans 13:1-5
"13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."
Also,
Do you find anywhere in the New Testament, when Jesus spoke to soldiers or members of the military where He spend anytime castigating them for their occupation? |
Jesus loathes murder.
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10-19-2012, 03:34 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by Dante
Jesus loathes murder.
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Dante,
Is that an answer? Are you saying you can't find examples where Jesus was disrespectful to members of the military?
How about examples of how Paul and other disciples/apostles dealt with soldiers and the military? Even their own persecutors?
Surely, if you are going to disrespect people, you can find Biblical precedent to back it up? Right?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Last edited by MissBrattified; 10-19-2012 at 03:38 PM.
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10-19-2012, 03:50 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Dante,
Is that an answer? Are you saying you can't find examples where Jesus was disrespectful to members of the military?
How about examples of how Paul and other disciples/apostles dealt with soldiers and the military? Even their own persecutors?
Surely, if you are going to disrespect people, you can find Biblical precedent to back it up? Right?
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Jesus is the Prince of Peace.
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10-19-2012, 03:52 PM
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Re: John McCain
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Do you find anywhere in the New Testament, when Jesus spoke to soldiers or members of the military where He spend anytime castigating them for their occupation?
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Did Jesus say anything to anyone about their career?
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