A treatise on the upc. - Page 3

kenj · #1 03-08-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do you attend any certain local or House Church today? Are you still Oneness? Pentecostal?

I appreciate your interest but why does it matter?

Michael The Disciple · #2 03-09-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kenj

I appreciate your interest but why does it matter?

Well it seems part of the story to me. Did your experience with the UPC drive you away from the Pentecostal faith? Did you leave them and continue to follow Christ? What came out of your experience did you find something you think is better if so what?

This all seems normal enough to ask on a discussion forum.

kenj · #3 03-09-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well it seems part of the story to me. Did your experience with the UPC drive you away from the Pentecostal faith? Did you leave them and continue to follow Christ? What came out of your experience did you find something you think is better if so what?

This all seems normal enough to ask on a discussion forum.

OK, sounds fair enough.

I was fortunate in that before I came upon the UPC in my hometown I was already a determined anti-Trinitarian and had also already had the certified 'Holy Ghost Experience'. So I was happy to be in the only church in town where I fit in.

Consequently I can't say I was driven away from the Pentecostal faith since I didn't consider myself necessarily in it.

From the start I went along with things that I didn't agree with but it was only after the negative stuff became unbearable that there was no choice about staying 'in' –or rather giving it money. And in the end money was the only thing that really determined if you were 'in' or 'out' in JY's church. That was certainly proven to me.

The better thing is following Christ, or at least trying to, rather than following the dogmas and directions of a church, or, worse, the dictates of a hypocritical religious tyrant.

I hope that answers your questions?

Rudy · #4 03-08-2013, 03:41 PM

The whole hierarchy thing with bishops, deacons, etc sounds so willfully deceptive. To say overseers doesn't sound official enough I guess.

kenj · #5 03-09-2013, 04:05 PM

Oh, someone else had asked these questions:

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I wonder if the Church he attended was Pastored by Jim Yohe who I think started this Forum or at least its forerunner. Yohe was thought of to be ahead of his time among some Pentecostals. Did he oppose what Jacobsen was teaching or did he side with him?

There was the 'pastor', JY, and then there was J (junior), who was maybe three years younger than I was, and still in high school when I first began attending.

JY senior of course blew his stack but J was always nice. I liked J, we used to hang out sometimes.

I went off to college soon after all that, and JY Sr. was thrown out in the meantime, so I never saw J again. I was sorry to see he died so young.

Michael The Disciple · #6 03-09-2013, 04:18 PM

I had hoped to find a home among "Apostolics" after leaving the Pentecostal/Charismatics in the early 80's. Did not work out but I realize more than ever my home is "in Christ".

FlamingZword · #7 03-09-2013, 04:50 PM

Enough with this attacks on the UPCI,

No I am not a member of the UPC, so I got nothing to gain by standing up for them.

however I get tired of such a fine organization being attacked, because they have a mote in their eye, while the attackers themselves have logs in their eyes.

I love my brethren in the UPC, even though many of them may think I am a backslidder, lost, an apostate or a heretic.

I let them attack me however much they want, I will not attack them at all, I will just pray for them, for they are my brethren, even thou they reject me.

Michael The Disciple · #8 03-09-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Enough with this attacks on the UPCI,

No I am not a member of the UPC, so I got nothing to gain by standing up for them.

however I get tired of such a fine organization being attacked, because they have a mote in their eye, while the attackers themselves have logs in their eyes.

I love my brethren in the UPC, even though many of them may think I am a backslidder, lost, an apostate or a heretic.

I let them attack me however much they want, I will not attack them at all, I will just pray for them, for they are my brethren, even thou they reject me.

Im not attacking them more than any other group out there. I do actually know ONE UPC Church that does teach the true foundation doctrine of the Apostles. Generally speaking I think they have Oneness correct. They have Acts 2:38 correct.

I could say many of them truly desire Christ. Yet once beyond those very basic things it seems they have a lot of truth yet to come to.

FlamingZword · #9 03-09-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I could say many of them truly desire Christ. Yet once beyond those very basic things it seems they have a lot of truth yet to come to.

We all Christians desire Christ, and we all have a lot of truth yet to come to.
However the UPCI has made more progress than other religious organizations.

I am not a part of them, mainly because I considered them stuck at the Acts 2:38 message, they have not gone further than that.

The road back to the original church is a long one and as far as I am concerned the UPCI has stopped moving forward, they have gone as far as they are willing to go.

It is time for a new movement or organization to arise and takes us farther along forward to another point in the road.

Michael The Disciple · #10 03-09-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

We all Christians desire Christ, and we all have a lot of truth yet to come to.
However the UPCI has made more progress than other religious organizations.

I am not a part of them, mainly because I considered them stuck at the Acts 2:38 message, they have not gone further than that.

The road back to the original church is a long one and as far as I am concerned the UPCI has stopped moving forward, they have gone as far as they are willing to go.

It is time for a new movement or organization to arise and takes us farther along forward to another point in the road.

Yes I agree they have stopped. I agree that generally they have went farther than most, stuck at Acts 2:38 and the Godhead.

The "New Movement" is what I am looking for. Yeshua promised he would guide us into all truth. Its coming.