George Zimmerman's Ethnicity?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.

So, if you marry someone of your own race, and live in an area where most of the people are the same race as yourself, including your church, and your children attend a school where most of the students are the same race... then you are a racist?

What a bunch of bunkum.

Has anybody ever thought that pushing all this 'anti racism' might be tending to create a backlash among some people?

My wife is the same race as myself. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My neighborhood happens to be mostly white. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My children are homeschooled and any 'school' argument is dead in the water there.

We home church but when we did 'attend services' we went where truth was being preached as far as we could tell at the time. Oh, yeah, it happens that most of those churches were mostly white as well. Guess what? Too bad for anyone who don't like that.

I remember attending Abundant Life Church, with Walter Hallam as pastor (they're on tv, look 'em up). Side note: Hallam was raised apostolic, decided there was more money in being a charismatic is my guess...

Anyway, one night he was preaching about church growth (what else, right?) and said 'we need more black people in this church!' People came to their feet and applauded and amen'd and all that.

He said 'we need more Hispanic people in this church!' Another rousing round of amens and 'preach it' and all that.

He said 'we need more Oriental people in this church!' He was on a roll, people were shouting and stomping and it was like 'ole time revival' in the place!

He said 'we need more white people in this church!'

You could hear a pin drop, I kid you not. TOTAL SILENCE.

He said 'Come on, stay with me now, we need more white people in this church too, amen!'

There were a few quiet 'amens' and he quickly went on to something else.

I learned a lot that day about 'racism'.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, if you marry someone of your own race, and live in an area where most of the people are the same race as yourself, including your church, and your children attend a school where most of the students are the same race... then you are a racist?

What a bunch of bunkum.

Has anybody ever thought that pushing all this 'anti racism' might be tending to create a backlash among some people?

My wife is the same race as myself. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My neighborhood happens to be mostly white. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My children are homeschooled and any 'school' argument is dead in the water there.

We home church but when we did 'attend services' we went where truth was being preached as far as we could tell at the time. Oh, yeah, it happens that most of those churches were mostly white as well. Guess what? Too bad for anyone who don't like that.

I remember attending Abundant Life Church, with Walter Hallam as pastor (they're on tv, look 'em up). Side note: Hallam was raised apostolic, decided there was more money in being a charismatic is my guess...

Anyway, one night he was preaching about church growth (what else, right?) and said 'we need more black people in this church!' People came to their feet and applauded and amen'd and all that.

He said 'we need more Hispanic people in this church!' Another rousing round of amens and 'preach it' and all that.

He said 'we need more Oriental people in this church!' He was on a roll, people were shouting and stomping and it was like 'ole time revival' in the place!

He said 'we need more white people in this church!'

You could hear a pin drop, I kid you not. TOTAL SILENCE.

He said 'Come on, stay with me now, we need more white people in this church too, amen!'

There were a few quiet 'amens' and he quickly went on to something else.

I learned a lot that day about 'racism'.

why would they get mad about him saying we need more white people?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, if you marry someone of your own race, and live in an area where most of the people are the same race as yourself, including your church, and your children attend a school where most of the students are the same race... then you are a racist?

What a bunch of bunkum.

Has anybody ever thought that pushing all this 'anti racism' might be tending to create a backlash among some people?

My wife is the same race as myself. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My neighborhood happens to be mostly white. If anyone doesn't like that too bad for them.

My children are homeschooled and any 'school' argument is dead in the water there.

We home church but when we did 'attend services' we went where truth was being preached as far as we could tell at the time. Oh, yeah, it happens that most of those churches were mostly white as well. Guess what? Too bad for anyone who don't like that.

I remember attending Abundant Life Church, with Walter Hallam as pastor (they're on tv, look 'em up). Side note: Hallam was raised apostolic, decided there was more money in being a charismatic is my guess...

Anyway, one night he was preaching about church growth (what else, right?) and said 'we need more black people in this church!' People came to their feet and applauded and amen'd and all that.

He said 'we need more Hispanic people in this church!' Another rousing round of amens and 'preach it' and all that.

He said 'we need more Oriental people in this church!' He was on a roll, people were shouting and stomping and it was like 'ole time revival' in the place!

He said 'we need more white people in this church!'

You could hear a pin drop, I kid you not. TOTAL SILENCE.

He said 'Come on, stay with me now, we need more white people in this church too, amen!'

There were a few quiet 'amens' and he quickly went on to something else.

I learned a lot that day about 'racism'.

So those markers don't apply to you... I am sure there are others that do... look at those. My comments are not directed to any one person... they are simply an attempt to help people get honest with themselves about where they stand with racism and their tolerance of it. I was raised by a mother who was truly color blind... We lived 2000 miles apart for decades... She talked about her friends in great detail always but it was only when I actually met them that I would find out what race they were... and I was often surprised. I loved that about her and hope to emulate it and share it with my children and their children.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

As a Latina who 'passes' as white (light skin, no accent, married to a white guy) I can promise you that racism is alive and kickin' in this country. It is not the 'problems of the past' that are at issue... it is the problems of today. Most people are, at their core, racist. And I've had a birds eye view of just how people who claim to not be racist act when they are with their 'own kind'.

Sadly enough, the church is the last bastion and stronghold of racism. It seems that only in church is it just OK to have no one in attendance of another color.

I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.

Perhaps it's the area of the country in which we live. I was raised in Chicago and went to schools that were about equal in white and black attendance. We lived in an area that was mostly black. We also had a lot of break-ins while living there, although we don't know what color those people were.

I once lived in Virginia. There aren't a lot of 'white neighborhoods' since the population is about 66% black in the state, but never had a problem with anyone of any color while living there. The church I attended had a large mixture of white, black, hispanic, and asian. We all sat together, prayed together, and ate together.

I live in an area that is mostly white. I attend a large church and there are several black members with many of them in leadership positions. Nobody cares, even though it's mostly white membership, however, this area is well-known for racism and it wasn't long ago that it was commonplace for the KKK to have rallys on a regular basis.

Personally, because of my upbringing, color of skin has never bothered me. My husband, who is white, has a black brother and sister (not adopted). We don't care because I was raised to see one race...the human race....and we should all stick with our own kind.

People are people no matter what color or ethnicity they are, but I'm also aware that there are many who don't see it this way.

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by OneEyedFatMan

Ths is off the cuff... why does it matter?
Personally I hate racism, I despise it to the core of my being

[n david]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I think better markers of measuring your sincere acceptance of other races as equal are to ask yourself why you do not now or did not (if you did not) date across racial lines when you were single, why you attend a church that is at least 90% your own color, live in an area that is not racially mixed or send your kids to school with kids that all look like them... Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.

To quote VP Biden, "that's a bunch of malarkey."

[n david]

The church my father pastored had a majority of white people. He's not racist. We did the door to door invitations on Saturdays and invited anyone and everyone we came in contact with, including other races.

The first black couple we had to come to our church and later join the church, stated that after they came, their former pastor (who was black) came to their home to visit them. He told them he was concerned by their leaving to join a "white church"; that they needed to "stick together" with "their own folk" and worship. He said the church my father pastored was racist and didn't like blacks; which, he reasoned, was why they were the only black couple in the church. He said the "white church" wasn't good enough to address the issues black folk face.

In testimony of the man's character, he stood up, thanked his former pastor for coming and told him he didn't appreciate his characterization of the church; that he found no evidence which backed up the pastors claims. He noted that the man never once met or spoke with my father.

I guess you can say we experienced a different kind of racism.

The school I went to was an ACE school our church administered. It was open only to the members of our church. As such, it had a majority of white kids. Doesn't mean the church, my parents or myself are racist.

I married a white girl. I dated mostly white girls, although I did date a Hispanic girl and a Vietnamese girl. Even absent dating the Hispanic and Vietnamese girls, I wouldn't be racist for dating white girls.

I grew up in a neighborhood with mostly white neighbors. Does that make my family or I racist -- absolutely not!

I resent the comment that because of the above I'm "part of the problem and not the solution." It's absurd.

The church I'm involved in now is majority Hispanic. The Pastor and most of the members are Hispanic. My family (wife, child and I) are among the only white people there. Is my pastor racist for not having more white or black members? Absolutely not!

I fellowship with a local PAW church nearby; attending their special services and some Sunday evening services. Most of the time I'm the only white person in that church. I love that church and Pastor, they've welcomed me every time I've visited. Is that Pastor racist for not having a single white or Hispanic member? Not from my experience with this man or his church.

I could go on and on, but won't. The statement is just absurd.

[Titus2woman]

I am not saying that you are racist if you did not marry outside your race. I am saying you are racist if you would not have dated outside your race and if you did not know anyone of another race to even consider in that decision then your parents were probably racist.

It amazes me how many people say they are not racist but in reality they have no family or friends of another race. In a country that has included all races for generations, actually since it's inception as a country.... really?

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by n david

The church my father pastored had a majority of white people. He's not racist. We did the door to door invitations on Saturdays and invited anyone and everyone we came in contact with, including other races.

The first black couple we had to come to our church and later join the church, stated that after they came, their former pastor (who was black) came to their home to visit them. He told them he was concerned by their leaving to join a "white church"; that they needed to "stick together" with "their own folk" and worship. He said the church my father pastored was racist and didn't like blacks; which, he reasoned, was why they were the only black couple in the church. He said the "white church" wasn't good enough to address the issues black folk face.

In testimony of the man's character, he stood up, thanked his former pastor for coming and told him he didn't appreciate his characterization of the church; that he found no evidence which backed up the pastors claims. He noted that the man never once met or spoke with my father.

I guess you can say we experienced a different kind of racism.

The school I went to was an ACE school our church administered. It was open only to the members of our church. As such, it had a majority of white kids. Doesn't mean the church, my parents or myself are racist.

I married a white girl. I dated mostly white girls, although I did date a Hispanic girl and a Vietnamese girl. Even absent dating the Hispanic and Vietnamese girls, I wouldn't be racist for dating white girls.

I grew up in a neighborhood with mostly white neighbors. Does that make my family or I racist -- absolutely not!

I resent the comment that because of the above I'm "part of the problem and not the solution." It's absurd.

The church I'm involved in now is majority Hispanic. The Pastor and most of the members are Hispanic. My family (wife, child and I) are among the only white people there. Is my pastor racist for not having more white or black members? Absolutely not!

I fellowship with a local PAW church nearby; attending their special services and some Sunday evening services. Most of the time I'm the only white person in that church. I love that church and Pastor, they've welcomed me every time I've visited. Is that Pastor racist for not having a single white or Hispanic member? Not from my experience with this man or his church.

I could go on and on, but won't. The statement is just absurd.

Yes you did.

No you wouldn't

Why do you feel my comments are directed at YOU?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Why do you feel my comments are directed at YOU?

Because if you do these things, chances are you are part of the problem, not the solution and no amount of saying how you believe that people are equal will change that.

I think that's directed at anyone who didn't meet the criteria above that statement, not just me; as evidenced by others who have had the response I had.