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[Light]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

So, when employers of those that aren't necessarily "famous" and don't make big bucks, start dictating that we can't express our christian beliefs in the work place, then what? Do you think the employee should be fined? Suspended? Fired?

My current employer has already forbidden wishing people Merry Christmas. We are supposed to say "Happy Holidays" so that we don't OFFEND anyone. Yet some aspects of these "holidays", as a bundle, are offensive to me as a christian.

Since when does an employer, who is not supposed to discriminate one way or another, have the right to promote one over the other?

Are we as christians supposed to crawl under a rock due to our employers "bottom line" concerns? Since when does "bottom line" take precedence over constitutional rights?

First its Christmas, what will be next? A female co-worker pats me on the behind and I'm supposed to "tolerate" that as a sign of affection? Will that be next? (I sure hope not cause I will get fired if that were to happen)

And I am talking about IN the work place. I could say much more for things done OUTSIDE the work place.

Are you paid for working? If so your paid to work not talk.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

So, when employers of those that aren't necessarily "famous" and don't make big bucks, start dictating that we can't express our christian beliefs in the work place, then what? Do you think the employee should be fined? Suspended? Fired?

My current employer has already forbidden wishing people Merry Christmas. We are supposed to say "Happy Holidays" so that we don't OFFEND anyone. Yet some aspects of these "holidays", as a bundle, are offensive to me as a christian.

Since when does an employer, who is not supposed to discriminate one way or another, have the right to promote one over the other?

Are we as christians supposed to crawl under a rock due to our employers "bottom line" concerns? Since when does "bottom line" take precedence over constitutional rights?

First its Christmas, what will be next? A female co-worker pats me on the behind and I'm supposed to "tolerate" that as a sign of affection? Will that be next? (I sure hope not cause I will get fired if that were to happen)

And I am talking about IN the work place. I could say much more for things done OUTSIDE the work place.

Originally Posted by Light

Are you paid for working? If so your paid to work not talk.

Pretty much this. You are paid to perform a job, and as long as they are not actually infringing on your religious beliefs, then your religion really has no place on the job.

Which doesn't mean you don't have freedom of choice. If your job is asking you to do something that violates your religious convictions, then you are obviously not right for the job, and need to find another one.

And really, how is saying happy "holy-days" really an affront to your christian sensibilities?

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

I disagree. They have private lives, too. Or are you saying we're all slaves and should have no voice or identity.

It's appalling that some believe famous people shouldn't have a voice...well, a conservative one. We know there's a massive double standard at play here. Even some gays acknowledge that.

It's rapidly coming to a point where there will be no free speech, and where simply stating one's personal or especially Christian beliefs will get you fined, fired, forced to be brainwashed or worse.

But I should just get over it...

I think that's the fear talking.

Let me ask you this. There are some fundamentalist Christians that feel that a woman's place is in the home, and not working in corporate america. Do you think that such a one should have the "freedom of speech" to go around telling their female coworkers that they should be home cooking for their husband and having babies the way God intended?

My answers is that they should not. There is a line where freedom of speech becomes harassment.

I don't understand what it is about this one action that makes christians so angry and afraid of gay people. I don't see you all running around all the time freaking out over all he premarital sex going on in the world. Oh no, I work with a guy who's shacking up with his girlfriend. I better tell everyone who will listen how depraved and licentious I think he is! And I better not ever be nice or talk to him, or people might think I approve, or even worse that I might shack up with someone!

I mean, so you think homosexuality is a sin. So what? The world is filled with sinners, and it shouldn't come as a big shock that sinner's sin. Why does that make you so afraid?

I don't remember anywhere in the Bible (but granted, I'm rusty) where God commands us to demand that we MAKE unregenerated unbelievers live according to a certain moral code.

(For the record, I am pro-equality, and do not have a moral problem with same-sex monogamous relationships)

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I think that's the fear talking.

Let me ask you this. There are some fundamentalist Christians that feel that a woman's place is in the home, and not working in corporate america. Do you think that such a one should have the "freedom of speech" to go around telling their female coworkers that they should be home cooking for their husband and having babies the way God intended?

My answers is that they should not. There is a line where freedom of speech becomes harassment.

I don't understand what it is about this one action that makes christians so angry and afraid of gay people. I don't see you all running around all the time freaking out over all he premarital sex going on in the world. Oh no, I work with a guy who's shacking up with his girlfriend. I better tell everyone who will listen how depraved and licentious I think he is! And I better not ever be nice or talk to him, or people might think I approve, or even worse that I might shack up with someone!

I mean, so you think homosexuality is a sin. So what? The world is filled with sinners, and it shouldn't come as a big shock that sinner's sin. Why does that make you so afraid?

I don't remember anywhere in the Bible (but granted, I'm rusty) where God commands us to demand that we MAKE unregenerated unbelievers live according to a certain moral code.

(For the record, I am pro-equality, and do not have a moral problem with same-sex monogamous relationships)

Homophobia is fake. Sinophobia is real. O my GOD sinners everywhere. Do you go outside? Or do you just stay inside and pray all day? This is directed toward ndavid.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Homophobia is fake. Sinophobia is real. O my GOD sinners everywhere. Do you go outside? Or do you just stay inside and pray all day? This is directed toward ndavid.

One of the dumbest posts I've read...and I've read some really dumb posts.

Seriously, stupid.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I think that's the fear talking.

It's not fear, when Mozilla's CEO was forced to resign for simply contributing his personal finances to the Prop8 campaign against gay marriage. It's not fear, when Phil Robertson was nearly taken off Duck Dynasty for answering a reporter's questions about his beliefs. It's not fear, when last week HGTV cancelled a show because the two cast members are on video from previous years speaking against gay marriage. It's not fear, when more and more people are either fired, forced to resign or take some brainwashed sensitivity course.

It's reality, not fear.

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

Let me ask you this. There are some fundamentalist Christians that feel that a woman's place is in the home, and not working in corporate america. Do you think that such a one should have the "freedom of speech" to go around telling their female coworkers that they should be home cooking for their husband and having babies the way God intended?

My answers is that they should not. There is a line where freedom of speech becomes harassment.

Of course there's a line where it becomes harrassment, and harrassment is and should be against employment rules.

"OMG" and "Horrible" are NOT harrassment. Period

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I don't understand what it is about this one action that makes christians so angry and afraid of gay people. I don't see you all running around all the time freaking out over all he premarital sex going on in the world. Oh no, I work with a guy who's shacking up with his girlfriend. I better tell everyone who will listen how depraved and licentious I think he is! And I better not ever be nice or talk to him, or people might think I approve, or even worse that I might shack up with someone!

I'm not afraid of gay people. I tolerate and respect them as a human being. I don't get angry when they push their trash. All I want is the same tolerance in return -- that I, too, am able to express MY belief and opinion without being called a bigot, hater, or worse.

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I mean, so you think homosexuality is a sin. So what? The world is filled with sinners, and it shouldn't come as a big shock that sinner's sin. Why does that make you so afraid?

Again, it's not about fear. It's about being able to say what I believe without being forced to take some brainwashed sensitivity course or getting fired or forced to resign. I tolerate them, they should do the same in return. You're obviously not getting it.

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

I don't remember anywhere in the Bible (but granted, I'm rusty) where God commands us to demand that we MAKE unregenerated unbelievers live according to a certain moral code.

Where in any post I've made here, have I demanded they live to a certain moral code. Please, show me. I'll help you. I haven't. All I've stated is that it's unfathomable that people can't even express their own opinions anymore, without the gays freaking out and demanding people get fired or forced to apologize and get brainwashed.

BTW, I'm not alone on this...even some gays have an issue with what has happened to the Mozilla CEO, HGTV show and now this NFL player.

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

(For the record, I am pro-equality, and do not have a moral problem with same-sex monogamous relationships)

I'm not surprised.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

Pretty much this. You are paid to perform a job, and as long as they are not actually infringing on your religious beliefs, then your religion really has no place on the job.

Which doesn't mean you don't have freedom of choice. If your job is asking you to do something that violates your religious convictions, then you are obviously not right for the job, and need to find another one.

And really, how is saying happy "holy-days" really an affront to your christian sensibilities?

Not sure you know, Christmas is a US Government recognized holiday, made so in 1870. It's not just some religious holy day. It's a federally recognized holiday. Saying Merry Christmas should not be banned or discouraged, as it's simply acknowledging the federal holiday.

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

It's not fear, when Mozilla's CEO was forced to resign for simply contributing his personal finances to the Prop8 campaign against gay marriage. It's not fear, when Phil Robertson was nearly taken off Duck Dynasty for answering a reporter's questions about his beliefs. It's not fear, when last week HGTV cancelled a show because the two cast members are on video from previous years speaking against gay marriage. It's not fear, when more and more people are either fired, forced to resign or take some brainwashed sensitivity course.

It's reality, not fear.


Of course there's a line where it becomes harrassment, and harrassment is and should be against employment rules.

"OMG" and "Horrible" are NOT harrassment. Period


I'm not afraid of gay people. I tolerate and respect them as a human being. I don't get angry when they push their trash. All I want is the same tolerance in return -- that I, too, am able to express MY belief and opinion without being called a bigot, hater, or worse.


Again, it's not about fear. It's about being able to say what I believe without being forced to take some brainwashed sensitivity course or getting fired or forced to resign. I tolerate them, they should do the same in return. You're obviously not getting it.


Where in any post I've made here, have I demanded they live to a certain moral code. Please, show me. I'll help you. I haven't. All I've stated is that it's unfathomable that people can't even express their own opinions anymore, without the gays freaking out and demanding people get fired or forced to apologize and get brainwashed.

BTW, I'm not alone on this...even some gays have an issue with what has happened to the Mozilla CEO, HGTV show and now this NFL player.


I'm not surprised.

What did Jesus say when the woman was brought before him who was caught in the act of adultery? Or the woman at the well? What kind of people did Jesus hang around with? What was Jesus' response when the woman with the issue of blood touched him?

I think if Jesus were here today, the Parable of the Good Samaritan, would most likely be the Parable of the Good homosexual.

I have no problem with you (or anyone else's) spiritual views on homosexuality. What I DO have a problem with is how these views are unfairly (IMO) used to treat a class of people as less than human. (i.e. denying them their fundamentals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as per the constitution).

I also have a problem with how your express yourself, because I think it gives Christians (and Jesus) a bad name. You can say "I don't agree with the life choices you are making, but Jesus loves you and so do I, and I'll be praying for you."

IMO, Jesus would not say "OMG" and "Horrible" if he saw 2 people of the same-sex kissing.

I honestly think this is a speck in your eye, situation. (I am speaking of Conservative Christianity in general).

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

Not sure you know, Christmas is a US Government recognized holiday, made so in 1870. It's not just some religious holy day. It's a federally recognized holiday. Saying Merry Christmas should not be banned or discouraged, as it's simply acknowledging the federal holiday.

I agree with this.