The Scriptures Are Subjective

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Luke

Dichotomy Girl if someone is trying to decide whether or not a book is to be taken absolutely or subjectively I would imagine that the best way to come to the proper conclusion would be to go to author in this case God. As the bible is God's word why would it be illogical to see what the Bible has to say about itself and how it is to be understood? No one is saying proving the legitimacy of the Bible by the Bible that would be like trying using circular dating a (a faulty practice used by evolutionist). It would seem illogical to allow anyone but the author a book decide whether He meant what He said or not.

G-d is not the Author of the Bible; men (humans) are.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

G-d is not the Author of the Bible; men (humans) are.

I disagree according to scripture the those men were moved by God as to what they were to write much like a person writing as another say speaks.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Luke

I disagree according to scripture the those men were moved by God as to what they were to write much like a person writing as another say speaks.

You can disagree all you want, but men wrote the Bible, and men decided which books would be placed within the Bible.

If G-d moved on those of the past, why doesn't G-d move on men today to write new Scriptures?

It's quite comical that we accept books written by a whore monger, an idolater, and a man whose heart had turned completely away from G-d. In today's Christian Religion, Solomon would be considered a total Heathen, not a candidate to write Holy Scriptures, nor a good example to upcoming Generations.

"Of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.

Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

And the Lord was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the Lord God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the Lord commanded."

Hmmmmm....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

You can disagree all you want, but men wrote the Bible, and men decided which books would be placed within the Bible.

That does not make God NOT the author.

Do you know how or why they decided certain books don't belong in the bible?

If G-d moved on those of the past, why doesn't G-d move on men today to write new Scriptures?

What difference does it make? Maybe God doesn't think we need more?

It's quite comical that we accept books written by a whore monger, an idolater, and a man whose heart had turned completely away from G-d.


In today's Christian Religion, Solomon would be considered a total Heathen, not a candidate to write Holy Scriptures, nor a good example to upcoming Generations.

You are assuming he wrote anything after becoming a "whore monger" and all that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

G-d is not the Author of the Bible; men (humans) are.

God is the author. Men are the writers

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

God is the author. Men are the writers

Prove it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Prove it.

lol..I should have asked that first since it was YOUR assertion God is NOT the author. You prove it

[Reader]

Let's look at this, then from your devil's advocate view.

It would appear that we shouldn't bother with anything at all in the Bible because all we know is that someone wrote it and we cannot know if anything is true.

Then, taking this, shouldn't one toss out any belief in Jesus because ultimately that is at least partly founded in what you read in the Bible? He was just a nice man that loved people. Oh- but wait- we really don't know if he did because we can't know if that part is true. Maybe he was really a mean person, throwing people out of the temple. Oh - but wait - we really don't know if that happened either.

How can one be fond of a book that you can't trust to mean a thing that it states?

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by Reader

Let's look at this, then from your devil's advocate view.

It would appear that we shouldn't bother with anything at all in the Bible because all we know is that someone wrote it and we cannot know if anything is true.

Then, taking this, shouldn't one toss out any belief in Jesus because ultimately that is at least partly founded in what you read in the Bible? He was just a nice man that loved people. Oh- but wait- we really don't know if he did because we can't know if that part is true. Maybe he was really a mean person, throwing people out of the temple. Oh - but wait - we really don't know if that happened either.

How can one be fond of a book that you can't trust to mean a thing that it states?

I said that we can't KNOW, but that we can BELIEVE. That's what faith is. The very idea of faith is to believe in something that can't be proven. I believe in Jesus, I believe that he lives inside of me, and that he loves me. But I can't PROVE that to my Atheist husband.

I am fond of the Bible, because it taught me about Jesus. I don't KNOW that everything in the Bible is true. But I BELIEVE that many of the things are true, because the Bible led me to relationship with Jesus, through the indwelling Spirit. That's all faith, I can't prove that to anyone, but it's very very real to me.

Let me ask you this. (I'm borrowing this from a book I read years ago, I think maybe Rob Bell?). What's more important, that the Garden of Eden happened or that it happens? Whether it is literal or metaphor, it speaks to us, it teaches us, it gives us spiritual insight.

The truth is, I don't think I could worship a God who literally commanded the Israelites to commit genocide, or was OK with slavery, or didn't have a problem with women being raped or treated like Chattel.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Dichotomy Girl

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The truth is, I don't think I could worship a God who literally commanded the Israelites to commit genocide, or was OK with slavery, or didn't have a problem with women being raped or treated like Chattel.

Agreed.