Homosexuality question

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

Ok..? Show me where I said otherwise.

God can change that, but that doesn't mean He will....and I don't believe a person is precluded from serving God just because of a condition of being.

If you were not implying he could serve God and at the same time be a homosexual I apologize.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I've known men that have. I knew one guy that gave up his feelings for God. I don't know that he ever lost the feelings 100%.

Feelings are often just suppressed, not gone

Right, feelings are often suppressed and not gone. Or, probably more accurately, I do think even when feelings don't go away a person is transformed in the presence of God. Thoughts, behaviors, even feelings are impacted by spending time in prayer and worship and study even if the underlying feelings are still there. I do know God *can* completely take those feelings away, can completely change a person dramatically, overnight, but I know that those are not the testimonies I hear most often. I've spent a lot of time thinking about why...it's one question I wish I had an answer for because I know the heartache it causes for people. It's why I emphasize that God is worthy of praise whether you wake up and all feelings are gone, or you wake up and they're all still there. He's still God...and He's still amazing...and He's still worthy of all of our praise. And His grace truly is sufficient in all circumstances.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If you were not implying he could serve God and at the same time be a homosexual I apologize.

There is a distinction that has to be made between choosing to act on feelings, and the condition of having feelings.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by houston

please dismiss yourself. Thanks

the bible is all that matters. What man thinks doesn't matter at all.

PS I have every right to post here.

thank you

[good samaritan]

This man probably can't help his attractions and this is sad, but we must realize that each of us may sometimes have ungodly attractions and he should view it this way. Any time you are tempted by a woman other than your wife it is a ungodly attraction. He must realize that just because the attraction is real and he may not be able to help it; he must follow Gods' plan of creation.

I don't think he should refer to himself as gay unless he is practicing. I know of minors who aren't even physically mature who claim they are gay when they aren't old enough to even have a sexual preference. There is really probably little you can say to him, but to pray and continue to seek God. He probably knows everything here we are saying, but is struggling with the inward battle of doing the right thing when your lusts are going in another direction.(In Jesus name touch this person and give him strength over his sinful nature.) I hope he chooses abstinence until he receives his deliverance.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

This man probably can't help his attractions and this is sad, but we must realize that each of us may sometimes have ungodly attractions and he should view it this way. Any time you are tempted by a woman other than your wife it is a ungodly attraction. He must realize that just because the attraction is real and he may not be able to help it; he must follow Gods' plan of creation.

I don't think he should refer to himself as gay unless he is practicing. I know of minors who aren't even physically mature who claim they are gay when they aren't old enough to even have a sexual preference. There is really probably little you can say to him, but to pray and continue to seek God. He probably knows everything here we are saying, but is struggling with the inward battle of doing the right thing when your lusts are going in another direction.(In Jesus name touch this person and give him strength over his sinful nature.) I hope he chooses abstinence until he receives his deliverance.

[shag]

Originally Posted by houston

Most of us would agree that homosexuality is a sin. Other than "the bible says so." Why is it a
Sin?

I have been talking to a kid for a few days. He is gay and has been looking for a church. Today he asked why it's wrong for him to be gay. Why is it wrong for him to love a man.

Other than "the bible says so" I didn't have an answer, so I haven't replied.

I think I'd probly come at it from the perspective of, choosing to be His disciple is about pleasing Him, the God that created us.

23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Our "intelligent designer" created man for woman and woman for man. The puzzle matches that way

In the garden of Eden, he told them not to eat of the forbidden tree . (And other places of instruction-They didn't question why...
Could be a matter of simply achknowledging/trusting His way of doing things is far superior to ours thoughts, feelings , or opinions.
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[Esaias]

So... does he "love" other men more than he loves Jesus Christ? What did those other guys ever do for him? Jesus gave his very LIFE for this man. And continues to bless and provide for him. Keeps him safe... feeds him... protects him... and asks in return his undying loyalty and faithfulness.

Now if the guy wants to "cheat" on the only man he'll ever know who loves him with TRUE UNDYING LOVE... and wants to throw away the best thing to ever come along in his life just for a few moments of satiating lust (along with the feelings of guilt and shame and emptiness sure to follow) then ....

Also, he needs to realize that people aren't "gay" or "straight". They are people who act on lust for various things. The scripture doesn't recognise the modern humanistic lie of "homosexuality". Instead it recognises certain forbidden ACTIONS (including letting your mind wander into entertaining forbidden deeds).

It all comes down to who do you love more - Jesus Christ?

Or yourself.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So... does he "love" other men more than he loves Jesus Christ? What did those other guys ever do for him? Jesus gave his very LIFE for this man. And continues to bless and provide for him. Keeps him safe... feeds him... protects him... and asks in return his undying loyalty and faithfulness.

Now if the guy wants to "cheat" on the only man he'll ever know who loves him with TRUE UNDYING LOVE... and wants to throw away the best thing to ever come along in his life just for a few moments of satiating lust (along with the feelings of guilt and shame and emptiness sure to follow) then ....

Also, he needs to realize that people aren't "gay" or "straight". They are people who act on lust for various things. The scripture doesn't recognise the modern humanistic lie of "homosexuality". Instead it recognises certain forbidden ACTIONS (including letting your mind wander into entertaining forbidden deeds).

It all comes down to who do you love more - Jesus Christ?

Or yourself.

Yes!

[houston]

Seriously? A sinner should love Jesus more than self?