4 Reasons Apostolics Shouldn't Protest

[shazeep]

Well put (as usual) KBTW. I would like to offer the observation that if you consider yourself one of "we, the people," you have slipped back into the water that you were baptized from. Or, more likely, never really rose out of. "You cannot serve two masters" was written for "we, the people."

Why, I will ask, would you want to protest? Even peacefully? Is it not because the world is doing something you do not agree with? "Beautiful are the feet."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

By your standard Christians would be required by God to submit to nazism...

Um, Christians invented Naziism.

Originally Posted by Esaias

...sharia...

Sharia is not imposed upon anyone. It is voluntary. Anywhere there is Sharia, there are also civil courts. Not saying that there are not some inbred little Sharia bergs, since surely there are.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Further, the supreme authority in these united States is "We the People". That fact has been affirmed by the Founding Fathers, the courts, the state constitutions, and other sources too numerous to mention. When the citizens "protest" it is an act of the highest governing body, the body politic. Therefore, to protest against the act of protesting is to protest the sovereignty of the highest lawful body in the nation. In addition, the law of the land enshrines the right of peaceful assembly by the people. To oppose that right or the exercise of that right is to be in opposition to the law of the land and thus the system of government established BY GOD for our governance. Which would be an act of rebellion against the principles of Romans 13.

established by God? Hmm, under duress, perhaps--to teach us a lesson. The body politic can get behind me, imo.

Originally Posted by Esaias

4. Your argument in section 3 of your essay is in essence that Christians should pray and do nothing else lest they be accused of meddling in God's business. Thankfully nobody with any sense believes that for if they did no farmer would tend his crops, nobody would have helped anyone escape communism or nazism, and Moses would have been killed in infancy. Not to mention Noah would not have built an ark.

hmm, seems to me that in making this comparison you may have jumped from "the world" (protesting, "we the people," et al) to "the earth" (farming). And i'm of the distinct impression that Noah and Moses went specifically against the grain that you have them going for.

Originally Posted by Esaias

...voting, driving a car, planting crops, working at your job, paying the bills, or dying a martyr's death, yet none of those things are wrong nor are they forbidden to God's people.

how do you know? I only find that planting crops and dying a martyr's death are acceptable, at least for me; and, I can Scripturally argue that the rest may at least possibly be sins, and some of them surely heinous ones. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if you are voting in national elections, you may as well be reading Crowley.

Originally Posted by Esaias

In summary, I suggest you learn first the Bible doctrine concerning the role, purpose, and scope of human government as well as the foundation of the American system of jurisprudence and politics. Then you will be more able to speak on the subject.

by all means, and please start with 1Sam8

Originally Posted by Esaias

Having said that, I do think protesting is a waste of time because it implies the powers that be currently in charge actually care what the populace thinks. Which I do not see any evidence of whatsoever.

we get exactly what we deserve; and sadly, i don't mean the populace (or "sea"), which do not figure into the equation at all (strangely) but "those who are called by His Name."

just lobbin grenades here, buddy

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Do you agree with President Obama? He used that same reasoning to disparage Christian beliefs and values.

No. I was just making fun of what Timmy said.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Um, Christians invented Naziism.

I didn't bother reading anything past this opening statement of yours, Shaz. Why? Because it proves to me you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. It's like debating philosophy with a public school educated teenager. Such a child has NO CLUE about the origin or tenets of say Utilitarianism or Hegelian dialectics or classical Sophism or Stoicism, yet would certainly have enough ignorance to blurt out "Nuh UH! Aurelius was a dweeb!"

It seems to me you'll say anything, and take ANY position, as long as it 1) defends Islam and 2) denigrates Christianity. Perhaps your heart belongs to Mecca, rather than New Jerusalem. I seriously think you will one day find yourself submitting to Allah's "prophet" and testifying how you used to think you were a Christian. You might as well go ahead and come out. You'll feel better about yourself, at least.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I didn't bother reading anything past this opening statement of yours, Shaz. Why? Because it proves to me you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. It's like debating philosophy with a public school educated teenager. Such a child has NO CLUE about the origin or tenets of say Utilitarianism or Hegelian dialectics or classical Sophism or Stoicism, yet would certainly have enough ignorance to blurt out "Nuh UH! Aurelius was a dweeb!"

It seems to me you'll say anything, and take ANY position, as long as it 1) defends Islam and 2) denigrates Christianity. Perhaps your heart belongs to Mecca, rather than New Jerusalem. I seriously think you will one day find yourself submitting to Allah's "prophet" and testifying how you used to think you were a Christian. You might as well go ahead and come out. You'll feel better about yourself, at least.

LOL, if I didn't know better, I would've thought the same thing about shazeep. Doesn't matter though, I finally realized this truth of yours and put him on ignore since his posts are idiotic.

[shazeep]

there you go, Esaias; Mr Eastman--who has me on "ignore" --is agreeing with you, and calling me names again. Hey, at least the names have deflected to my posts, to be connected to me by association.

Religion is not pretty, Esaias; i merely made a statement of fact. I find Naziism to still be relevant since it is us, after all, who took so many in after the war, and now export it worldwide. And please understand that i am just offering alternative, valid reflections to your post, and don't mean to negate it entire. I agree completely with the last paragraph--actually the moreso, as i know that satan runs the world, and thus our government--which is actively trying to kill you, and has even said as much. Want quotes?

So please don't scoff. No, i don't know what any of those Sophist words mean, hardly (but i do know philosophy is yack), and i am a Christian, for better or worse; although the term has become so warped now that i prefer "follower of Christ."

And i understand that there are other, valid pov's; by all means, let the Spirit be your guide. Calling me a child is just a compliment, i hope you understand; it took me a long time to forget what "Hegelian Dialectics" were. Ty God that they now sound like something one might be able to get a prescription for. Hegelian Dialectics were invented by a teacher--meaning "one who could not do." Too much study truly makes only "weary." If you would like to actually discuss the issues in the posts, let me know. Peace to you.

[BrotherEastman]

Did someone say something?

[shazeep]

ok but at least recognize that Naziism was the will of the people at the time; Hitler was democratically elected, not majikally foisted upon the populace. Think about that.

[BrotherEastman]

Shazeep are you talking to me?????? I cant hear you. LOL

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok but at least recognize that Naziism was the will of the people at the time; Hitler was democratically elected, not majikally foisted upon the populace. Think about that.

Of course he was elected. So was Obama. That doesn't translate to "Christians created Obamanism".