Sabbeth Keepers

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

OK where in the Bible does it say to have church services on Sunday??

The early church gathered on the first day of the week. In fact, a week after the cross they already started it.

Joh 20:1 KJV The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Joh 20:26 KJV And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Sunday to Sunday.

Act 20:7 KJV And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1Co 16:2 KJV Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

It's not a change of Sabbaths. It's a change of days of emphasis. Sunday is not the sabbath. It's day of worship. The day the Lord made was the day the stone was made the head of the corner, which was the first day of the week.

Psa 118:22-24 KJV The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner. (23) This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes. (24) This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.


Your turn. Where does the bible say to have church on saturday?

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I don't think it is vital to have church Sunday. It could be any day. But personally I work Saturday morning and have Sunday and Monday off, and others work monday. So.... It's just most convenient. But Sunday is not the sabbath. Sabbaths -- all fo them -- were a shadow and the body that casts the shadow is Jesus and so I have the real body of Sabbath, Jesus.

Col 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Some will mock, but I see a spiritual message in the first day of the week instead of the seventh for church. It's not a dogmatic stance, but a message.

The seventh day of the week was rest AFTER WORK. You work six days then rest later on seventh.

The seventh day sabbath was a memorial of OLD creation. We are in a new creation now in the new covenant. And instead of resting AFTER WE WORK, which is sort of like a salvation by works mentality, which law was, we rest BEFORE we work by worship and praise. Sunday is time of spiritual refreshing, not physical.

Sabbath day is a day of DO NOT DO THIS OR THAT. But first day is an emphasis not on what we cannot do, like sabbath, but what we CAN DO.... praise and worship! And we do that BEFORE we work in the world, first day. We do all our works BASED upon a spiritual refreshing of praise, instead of resting after we work in a physical sense. the first day of the week is contrasted from the last day by saying we refresh BEFORE we work instead of physically resting AFTER we work.

Those with eyes to see will get what I am saying and rejoice!

Law said work and then get life. Lev 18:5.

Christ said get life from God FIRST and then work.

It's like the difference between doing good to be saved as opposed of doing good BECAUSE we're saved.

[Abiding Now]

EVERY Sunday (first day of the week), I join in with the early church and celebrate the greatest event of the Bible, His resurrection.

[Esaias]

http://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html

quotes:

Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.
"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?
"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
"For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the[Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible."

Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.
"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.
"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.
"I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."

[Esaias]

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church,the pope."Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950. - See more at: http://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-....GyO4jfSE.dpuf

[Esaias]

"Jesus is our rest, therefore we keep the fourth commandment simply by being a Christian."

God is our father, may we then ignore the fifth commandment or spiritualize it in such a way that we don't have to actually honour our parents?

Our relationship with Christ is typified by marriage. Does this mean Christianity abolishes matrimony?

The Bible says "the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God". Jesus isn't the seventh day, He is the Lord of the seventh day.

[Esaias]

Don't fall for the doctrine of the Pharisees!

Mark chapter 7:
[9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
[10] For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
[11] But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[12] And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Notice the pharisee teaching: One could avoid actually doing what the commandment of God required by claiming a higher, spiritual purpose. By dedicating one's money as a gift to the service of God, one was free of the obligation of obedience to the actual stated command of God (in this case the fifth commandment).

Modern Pharisaism does the same thing with the fourth commandment. By claiming a "higher spiritual purpose", higher and "more important" than actual obedience to the commandment's words, they reject the commandment of God in order to keep man-made tradition.

Beware the leaven (teaching) of the Pharisees!

[Esaias]

"Sabbath keepers are trying to work to get life but sabbath breakers are enjoying life because Christ did the work/by faith/by grace etc."

Obedience to God is not trying to get life from works, anymore than baptism is.

Suppose a person obeys the third commandment and refuses to profane the Lord's name. Is that person trying to "work to get life"?

Should they repent and start profaning God's name to be more "spiritual" and to make sure they aren't being a "legalist"?

[Esaias]

Having church on saturday:

It says nothing about saturday. It does speak of the seventh day IS the sabbath of the Lord our God. (Is the seventh day the sabbath of YOUR God? If your God is Jesus Christ then it is...)

And it says this:

[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. (Lev 23:1-3)

The sabbath is said to be a "holy convocation" - a sacred assemblying together.

The sabbath is also specified as a "feast", that is, a "moed" which is a divine appointment for meeting God in worship.

No reason not to gather together on the Lord's sabbath to worship the Creator!