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06-11-2007, 11:52 AM
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I have always said that shyness is a fruit of pride and jealousy.
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Unbelievable!!!
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06-11-2007, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I submit that jealousy is a symptom of pride ... We often associate pride with just arrogance ... However pride is a FOCUS ON SELF ... and it displays itself in ways we don't often associate with pride/self-focus.
A person who hates their self ... suffering from an inferiority complex ... and is willing to take their life ... is as proud as the Pharisee who believes their spirituality and works outshine us all ... the FOCUS IS STILL THE SAME ... SELF.
Those who struggle w/ jealousy and coveting also have pride issues. The focus is on self when they wish they could have what is not theirs, want someone for their self, etc.
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06-11-2007, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Pr 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
I like PEACE, so the first verse is my favorite.
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Good point.
As you can kinda tell, I don't like being wrong.
But, the older I get, the more I realize that sometimes the spoil of victory is not worth the battle scars. Contention really is a pride issue.
But isn't pride related to jealousy?
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06-11-2007, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
Sometimes it is fear that hinders some folks from allowing other folks to move forward in the ministry.
It is not a Jealous thought in the mind of the person being held back.
We preach and teach and talk about Jealousy.
I think it is high time someone were to preach and teach on how not to cause folks to bring forth that fealing in folks.....
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But wouldn't that fear that hinders be birthed from jealousy?
ie a minister having a Saul complex toward a potential David?
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06-12-2007, 01:37 PM
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But wouldn't that fear that hinders be birthed from jealousy?
ie a minister having a Saul complex toward a potential David?
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That is the real Jealousy being birthed by fear...
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06-11-2007, 10:45 AM
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I think that Pride could be a birthing place for jealosy...
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06-11-2007, 11:24 AM
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Pride is something that can't be hidden that well.....
Jealosy can...
It can be a seething, festering cauldron hidden underneath the surface...
I do think at times it can boil over..but folks can hide it well...
Pride is much more visible... imo...
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06-11-2007, 11:31 AM
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In most cases, "Shyness" can be attributed ... to temperament ...which is God-given ... but some use it as a rouse to cover their selves ...
I also think jealousy is probably one the most dangerous expressions of pride. One only has to look at the amount of women murdered in this country because of jealousy to see it's heinous power over man's heart.
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06-11-2007, 11:44 AM
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The worst sin of all is....
The one that has any rule in my life.
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06-11-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Is Jealousy the worst of all sins?
Consider the following:
1. Jealousy causes married folk to split up and run off with other people.
2. Jealousy causes people to steal.
3. Jealousy caused Cain to kill Abel.
4. Jealousy causes some to sow discord in the church - leading to church splits, backsliders, and unhealthy competition between pastors and saints.
5. Jealousy causes financial hardships. We take on too much debt in order to "keep up with the Jones'.
Solomon says, "Anger is cruel and fury overwhelming, but who can stand before jealousy?" ( Proverbs 27:4). The Apostle Paul writes, "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy, drunkenness, orgies and the like." ( Galatians 5:19-21a) A list of sins from the proverbs of the prophet Solomon contains things that go hand in hand with jealousy. It says, "There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stir up dissension among brothers." ( Proverbs 6:16-19)
In short, jealousy is the product of a person who feels they are superior to their fellow man, and to God. It is the pinnacle of self-centeredness.
Jealousy is what caused lucifer to declare "I will ascend".
Jealousy is the root cause of a host of other sins.
So, what do you think? Is jealousy the worst of all sins?
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