Im all for that. but lets not toss the baby out with the bathwater!
The bible also says BE STILL (quiet) and know that I am God"
There is a time and place for ALL THINGS.
When I teach on prayer, you better believe that I instruct Apostolics that prayer isn't ALL telling God stuff! if you don't spend time LISTENING you are not going anywhere.
BUT put STONEKINGs comments at NAYC in CONTEXT. He wasn't teaching. Those kids in general are REALLY GOOD at saying nothing. At being quiet at church. There is nothing wrong with teaching them that there is a time and place for a war shout.
I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around focusing on decibel levels. I can't quite see the Apostles preaching or focusing on that issue.
I don't mind the boisterous praise and the shout. I am also a participant. What I want us to be careful of is leaning too much on the element of making noise and not getting as excited when the scriptures are read. That is what brings me to my feet more than anything. I have seen young people shout, but not be made strong by it. Something appeared to be surface noise with no depth. That is all I fear the most - noise with no depth of commitment to God.
Pulled over to respond to your post. Better get back on the highway before a police officer thinks I am in trouble or waiting to pick up a stash of illegals. Lol
If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
Sure doesn't hurt.
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If your worship doesn't lead you into obedience to Jesus Christ, you are simply making noise.
I remember being instructed that to get God's attention, you need to make some noise. So, I am praying at home, lifting my voice in praise, clapping my hands... Becoming a bit tired with this outward display, I say, "Oh, forget it." I then kneel by my bed and whisper, "I love you, Jesus." The spirit of the Lord fills the room. He doesn't require us to slam and shout to get His attention is all I am saying.
you know I love and respect you...
I agree, God does not require us to "slam".... im pretty sure he instructs us to shout... considering all the scripture that speaks to the subject.
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__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
There is plenty of scripture related to raising ones voice to the lord in praise. In fact there is plenty of scripture that relates shouting to the Lord as a form of warfare. both physical and spiritual.
So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city.
2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.
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There is plenty of scripture related to raising ones voice to the lord in praise. In fact there is plenty of scripture that relates shouting to the Lord as a form of warfare. both physical and spiritual.
Joshua 6:20
So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city.
2 Chron 13:15
Then the men of Judah raised a war cry, and when the men of Judah raised the war cry, then it was that God routed Jeroboam and all Israel before Abijah and Judah.
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The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. - Psalm 51:17
Jude 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion , making a difference : 23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
In fact the Psalmist David enjoins ALL THE EARTH to raise its collective voices in praise to God.
He tells the sea to clap its hands, to raise its voice. He intones the people to shout "with the voice of many waters".
He instructs the mountains to speak out and to fall on their faces. David in fact states that if the people will not Praise God, the ROCKS WILL CRY OUT.
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I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him. Had Bernard or some other preacher said what Stoneking said, there wouldn't be much question about it, because what was said was true. Sure, it wasn't eloquent or explained in scientific terms, but sound waves affect molecules. It's scientifically proven. It's also true that in the OT people shouted when God commanded and victories were won.
You don't want to raise your voice, fine. But don't bash the man just because he stated a biblical and scientific fact.
I believe the issue is because Stoneking said it. People either love him or really, really hate him. Had Bernard or some other preacher said what Stoneking said, there wouldn't be much question about it, because what was said was true. Sure, it wasn't eloquent or explained in scientific terms, but sound waves affect molecules. It's scientifically proven. It's also true that in the OT people shouted when God commanded and victories were won.
You don't want to raise your voice, fine. But don't bash the man just because he stated a biblical and scientific fact.
/\ this right here...
Amen
Anyone who has been around here knows ive spoken harshly about some of his doctrinal views. But THIS is NOT one of those.
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