What is SIN?

[Aquila]

God is love. Anything contrary to the very nature of God, love, is sin.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

God is love. Anything contrary to the very nature of God, love, is sin.

Are all Muslims "lost," Aquila?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Are all Muslims "lost," Aquila?

Maybe a better question would be, "are all Christians lost except those that have exclusively followed Acts 2:38"?

Which brings us full circle to the question, what does it mean to be saved? Jesus said "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life". What does that mean have everlasting life? Or shall not perish? Perish from what? Everlasting life, when?

Luke wrote "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", saved from what?

John proclaimed when he saw Jesus come to be baptized, "behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world" did Christ take away the sin of the world and when?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Maybe a better question would be, "are all Christians lost except those that have exclusively followed Acts 2:38"?

Which brings us full circle to the question, what does it mean to be saved? Jesus said "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life". What does that mean have everlasting life? Or shall not perish? Perish from what? Everlasting life, when?

Luke wrote "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", saved from what?

John proclaimed when he saw Jesus come to be baptized, "behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world" did Christ take away the sin of the world and when?

Oh, there is no more sin in the world?



Cool.

[KeptByTheWord]

Opening this discussion back up again...

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Sin in this scripture is identified as "transgression of the law".

2 questions:

1. Is the Apostle John referring to Torah law in this passage, or is it a broader form of lawlessness not necessarily referring to Torah?

anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity
Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.

http://biblehub.com/greek/458.htm

2. Is there a case to be made that John was implying that not keeping all of Torah law was sin?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Opening this discussion back up again...

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Sin in this scripture is identified as "transgression of the law".

2 questions:

1. Is the Apostle John referring to Torah law in this passage, or is it a broader form of lawlessness not necessarily referring to Torah?

anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity
Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.

http://biblehub.com/greek/458.htm

2. Is there a case to be made that John was implying that not keeping all of Torah law was sin?

I do not personally think John is referring to the laws and edicts of the Old Covenant.

Rather, I think he is referring to the "law which was from the beginning", regarding to the love of God/Christ, and for each other. To me then, the transgression of the law that is sin is the violation of, and offense against "Love God with your soul, strength, and might" and "love your neighbor as yourself".

Otherwise, all the overlooked minutiae of the Old Covenant would condemn us all as children of the devil.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I do not personally think John is referring to the laws and edicts of the Old Covenant.

Rather, I think he is referring to the "law which was from the beginning", regarding to the love of God/Christ, and for each other. To me then, the transgression of the law that is sin is the violation of, and offense against "Love God with your soul, strength, and might" and "love your neighbor as yourself".

Otherwise, all the overlooked minutiae of the Old Covenant would condemn us all as children of the devil.

Now, that being said, loving God and one's neighbor, certainly is Torah. But Torah really shouldn't be translated as "law"; rather, it should be understood as instruction or teaching (which of course is, or can be binding, hence why some think of the word as "law").

And since all the Torah and prophets hang on the first two commandments, the New Covenant Torah is much easier to bear.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Opening this discussion back up again...

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Sin in this scripture is identified as "transgression of the law".

2 questions:

1. Is the Apostle John referring to Torah law in this passage, or is it a broader form of lawlessness not necessarily referring to Torah?

anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity
Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.

http://biblehub.com/greek/458.htm

2. Is there a case to be made that John was implying that not keeping all of Torah law was sin?

1. If John was not referring to the commandments of God, then nobody would be able to know if they were sinning. If God Himself is not the only decider of what is sin, then who else is? When sin is "transgression of the law" then sin = crime. So then, can anything be a crime that is not defined by law? If that were possible, then crime becomes an arbitrary thing and the people would have no way to know what was illegal and what was legal.

Therefore, sin is the transgression of the law, and cannot be anything but transgression of the law. Think about it: How can something be a sin that is not a violation of God's commandments to man? How can something be sinful unless it is contrary to the will of God? And how can the will of God be known unless it is revealed? And how is the will of God revealed to mankind, if not by His Word?

Note: God may reveal His personal will TO YOU, consisting of His will FOR you personally. To violate that would of course be sin, although you could never convict someone ELSE of it as sin since it was a command given specifically to YOU (which command, by the way, would not be in violation of His Word). But that becomes sin under the law that "thou shalt serve the LORD thy God". One cannot serve a king by disobeying his specific instructions to you, for example.

2. Not keeping the commandments of God is of course sin. But one must rightly understand what commandments pertain to what classes of people and under what conditions. Jesus interpreted the Law perfectly and we are followers of Him (as disciples). We therefore follow His "interpretation and application of Torah".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

I look at it this way....

Sin is the transgression of the law.

And Jesus teaches us that the spirit and intent of the entire law hangs on two commandments:

Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Based on Christ's own words the entire law is summed up in two commandments, with the second being "like unto" the first:

1.) Love God with all your being.
2.) Show God you love Him by loving others as yourself.

That's basically it. Over and done. No dietary regulations, legalistic dress codes, special feast days, Sabbaths, funny hats, religious taxes - no religion.

Love. Love alone fulfills the entire moral law of God. Think about it....

1.) If you love God, you won't want any other God.
2.) If you love God, you won't bow to idols.
3.) If you love God, you won't speak irreverently of His name.
4.) If you love God, you will set aside time to worship every day (not just one in 7).
5.) If you love your neighbor, as a child, you'll start with loving your parents.
6.) If you love neighbor, you won't kill them or slander them.
7.) If you love neighbor, you won't take his wife; if you love your wife, you won't take a mistress.
8.) If you love your neighbor, you won't still from him.
9.) If you love your neighbor, you won't lie about him.
10) If you love your neighbor, you won't be jealous of what he has or his success.

Notice, simply loving God and your neighbor fulfills the entire moral Law of God in one fell swoop. This what Paul meant when Paul wrote the following:

Romans 13:8-10 (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Notice, Paul specifically begins to bring up the Ten Commandments, but he cares not to even finish them. He simply states, "and if there be any other commandment", it is summed up by this saying, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." That's all inclusive! That leaves no exceptions. EVERY possible commandment of God is fulfilled if you simply.... LOVE your neighbor as yourself.

Paul reiterated this to the Galatians. Paul wrote:

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Again, notice, how much of the Law is fulfilled (according to Paul) when we love our neighbour.... "all the law". Not one jot or tittle is left unfulfilled if you simply love others as yourself.

Many make a big deal out of the Ten Commandments. However, the Ten Commandments (the Law of God), as righteous as it is, is only a pathetic basement level of righteousness. It is really a joke that is easily fulfilled in your sleep if you think about it. But, LOVE demands infinitely more than the Ten Commandments. Love demands that you:

Feed the hungry
Clothe the naked
Visit the prisoner
Provide for the widow
Provide for the orphan
Provide for the stranger
Comfort the grieving
Free the oppressed
Encourage the discouraged
Heal the broken
Mend the broken hearted

.... and the list could go on and on.

Consider this. Let's say that you were running late for home after work and the wife was making dinner and expected you there.... and you saw a stranded motorist on the side of the darkened highway. If you chose to look the other way and drive right on by.... did you break any of the Ten Commandments? Nope. You're still a holy little legalist. However, the Law of Love demands that you love your neighbor.... even if he's a stranded motorist at the most inconvenient time. Love would demand that you stop to check on him to see if he has a phone, if someone is on the way, or if there's something you can help with. If you refuse the call of love (which is the very essence of the law, and fulfills the whole law).... you've sinned! If you pass that man by under the Law of Love you've failed to love another in need and you've sinned buddy. The Law of Love demands infinitely more than the Ten Commandments ever could. If you go to a family reunion and have bad attitude and bring everyone down.... is that loving? Nope. You've sinned. If the guy next to you in line is .47 cents short for his coffee and doughnut.... and you know you have two quarters to spare.... and you don't say a word.... you've failed to love. You've sinned.

Love is the highest ethic, the most expansive law, the greatest obligation.

Also, think about this....

God is love. That means that while God is spirit as it relates to His substance, He is love as it relates to His essence. He is, love itself. So.... when we are the most loving (forgiving, compassionate, patient, tolerant, accepting, welcoming, caring, giving, kind, etc.).... we are most like Him. Thus, it is when we are loving that we are the most.... holy.

A life of holiness is.... a Spirit filled life filled with.... love.

It's that simple.... but that infinite in its application.

Many argue that James teaches us that "faith without works is dead". But take a close look at what James really tells us....

James 2:14-18 (KJV)
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Wow. That almost makes me cry every time I read it. Notice James asks if faith can save a man, without works. However, also notice the kind of works James refers to.... clothing the naked & feeding the hungry. These are not "works of the law".... these are "works of love". I had to stop because I became overwhelmed right here. Faith without works of love and compassion is.... DEAD. If you're not caring for others.... if you're not loving your neighbor.... YOUR FAITH IS DEAD! It's no good. It's worthless religion. It's just religions banter, chatter, and biases. Without works of love and compassion towards others.... your works are meaningless.... no matter how long your hair or your sleeves are.

James whole point was stated briefly in verse 8 of the same chapter....

James 2:8 (KJV)
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Here the Law of Love/Law of Christ is referred to as the, "Royal Law". This is what James was trying to explain.

Folks, this is what it is all about. Loving others. We don't prove to God that we love Him by wearing tin foil hats, eating Jelly beans on Thursdays, only going to Church on Tuesdays, adoring ourselves in purple jump suits, celebrating the 12 days of Christmas backwards, only putting up Chanukah bushes, lighting the Menorah with an extra candle glued to the side (just in case the Jews forgot one), only wearing our shirts inside out, avoiding all comic book stores, only using bright red carriages for transportation, speaking the King James English when in the grocery store, teaching our kids to be discreet when they pick their noses, .... etc..... etc..

Nope. God doesn't give a flippin'-flop about any of those silly religious things we like to brag about. God cares about.... PEOPLE. Who did Jesus die for? PEOPLE. God cares about PEOPLE. God cares about how you treat other PEOPLE. God is a "PEOPLE God". PEOPLE are made in His image. These are PEOPLE He died for and wants a relationship with. When you love other PEOPLE.... you're showing God how much you love Him. You're demonstrating your love for Him. Do you see Jesus in others? Think about it.... God sees Jesus in you.... so you can see Jesus in others by faith and love them into the Kingdom. It's about PEOPLE. Loving other PEOPLE.

It's all about love. That's it. How silly we must seem to God (Love). How full of self and ego must we seem to be when we walk around beating each other up over all our silly lists of standards, with our chests all puffed out (and there's plenty of beating up going on because every list is different). Here we are throwing stones over our self-righteous, man-made, little lists of standards.... and God is simply wanting us to love one another.... and to take that love into a lost and dying world.

So.... back to the original post.

What is SIN?

Sin is the failure to love.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Maybe a better question would be, "are all Christians lost except those that have exclusively followed Acts 2:38"?
Which brings us full circle to the question, what does it mean to be saved? Jesus said "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life". What does that mean have everlasting life? Or shall not perish? Perish from what? Everlasting life, when?
Luke wrote "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved", saved from what?
John proclaimed when he saw Jesus come to be baptized, "behold the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world" did Christ take away the sin of the world and when?

" Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?"