I Don't Think God "Creates" Anything Any More

[Sean]

Everytime you injure yourself, you are being healed by God, whether you believe in Him or not.

This is why Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world....so man would heal and not drop dead immediately when death entered into the world.


Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.(almost 800 years prior to the crucifixion)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't know.

What a refreshing post.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What a refreshing post.

Thanks.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The Word of God is more true than my own questions and doubts.

[Sean]

When it comes to the terrible things that happen in life, I choose not to think.

I am choosing to remember the good things in life, not the bad.


This song has a great message, you may not care for the group though....

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sean

When it comes to the terrible things that happen in life, I choose not to think.

I am choosing to remember the good things in life, not the bad.


This song has a great message, you may not care for the group though....

When I first started listening to "CCM", Degarmo & Key, Geoff Moore and the Distance, Amy Grant, Phil Keagy-- these were the musicians I enjoyed.

[Sean]

Oh yeah, D/K is my favorite contemporary Christian group. I am still stuck in the 80s...LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Thanks.

You don't get many posts like that these days it's kinda cool to see one.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Did God know that sweet baby Adolf would do what he did when God created sweet baby Adolf?

What makes you think God didn't know?

What makes you think baby Adolf had no choice in the matter?

The simple fact is that all of us are capable of such atrocities if we reject the grace of God and our depravity and free will are then enabled by worldly power. For most people the civil law & government is enough to either deter them from blatantly wicked atrocities OR at least contain them afterward (either through arrest & prison as with criminals or killing them as with terrorists). But when wicked men rule there remains no restraint to their wickedness. Sin truly destructive nature is displayed for all to see.

We see this over and over again- you bring up Hitler, but what about Saddam, Gadafi, Assad, Kim, Mao, Stalin, Attila, Domitian, Nero, Herod the Great, Archelaus, Antiochus, etc? All wicked on the same level?

Why were they allowed to be born?

Why was Muhammad, Jim Jones, David Koresh, and a thousand others who have abused and killed people I'm the name of God, and even the name of Christ allowed to do do?

What about Margaret Singer?
And all the abortion doctors and workers? Why were they born?

Then what about thrives and adulterers and all murders and child molesters, why were they born?

Ultimately you have to ask why was anyone born to be logically consistent, including you and I.
I think its obvious from Psalms that God does continue to create each of us in the womb and our spirits themselves.
We are created by God in His image but with a free will and God is glorified by showing mercy on creatures so deserving of hell. God is able to manifest His love, grace, mercy, compassion, kindness and goodness in its fullness only with the existence of sin. Also seeing how destructive and evil sin is helps us to understand God's justice and why His judgement is so severe.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If God is creating people today...

Then God is creating people who are destined to hell.

People that HE KNEW that when HE CREATED THEM WITH THEIR FLAWS AND THEIR PENCHANT FOR SIN-- He KNOWS that they have no chance of being saved because HE created them, lost.

He creates the crack addicted babies.
He creates the defective babies that will bring stress, heartache and will eventually die.

He creates Hitler and Hussein and they do His Will-- either its true or God didn't know.

Entire civilizations created and ultimately destroyed by a God that never heard the "Gospel"-- or maybe you know about the time the Incas were presented with Jesus Name baptism and they chose to reject it, choosing instead to continue to sacrifice their children-- little souls, created by Him that He knew would never see adulthood. He knew they would never have a chance.

GOD did it-- or He was complicit. He knew...

The child that was raped, the response of that child to the rape, the issues that would ensue, the seemingly unavoidable doom...

GOD did it-- or He was complicit. He knew...

IF HE IS CREATING LIFE TODAY, THEN THE MEANS BY WHICH THEY COME INTO THE WORLD ARE HIS CREATION TOO!

Of course, this is lunacy to attempt to hold GOD accountable for things He didn't do-- things He couldn't have done because HE gave the charge to pro-create to Adam and Eve.

He created them.

We were born after the will of men.

And on the flip side, you have Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, Wilberforce, Martin Luther, Paul, John the Baptist, Jeremiah, Moses, Abraham, and of course Jesus himself.

It seems to me near blasphemy to blame God for the wickedness of men, and then on the flip side to argue that God had no hand in the lives of so many people who've brought hope, reformation, and deliverance to humanity in so many ways.

And again, your argument contradicts scripture where is God specifically said to be active in the creation of such individuals as David, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, and Paul. The scripture implies the same for Pharoh, Cyrus, and Nebuchadnezzar.

Why try to blame God or play God because we can't explain everything?