So what's the plan? Outlaw the religion? Put all the followers of the religion on a watch list wether they committed crimes or not?
I can see all the passion, but not a lot of forethought.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
So what's the plan? Outlaw the religion? Put all the followers of the religion on a watch list wether they committed crimes or not?
I can see all the passion, but not a lot of forethought.
honestly im baffled.
I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.
Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...
I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?
This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.
Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.
That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.
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This is a long read but it should be required reading for anyone who seeks to understand ISIS and where they come from.
I don't agree with everything here, but it is eye opening. This is The Atlantic Mag.
It is not some conservative myopic. It is well done and very balanced. It gives some very interesting insights not only into ISIS but also into where mainstream islam meets radicalization.
There is also a very interesting section where a radical cleric explains what it is that islam is supposed to do. reading that gave me a very different understanding of why the American Progressives seem to be far less bothered by these guys than the American Right.
I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.
Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...
I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?
This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.
Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.
That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.
This is a long read but it should be required reading for anyone who seeks to understand ISIS and where they come from.
I don't agree with everything here, but it is eye opening. This is The Atlantic Mag.
It is not some conservative myopic. It is well done and very balanced. It gives some very interesting insights not only into ISIS but also into where mainstream islam meets radicalization.
There is also a very interesting section where a radical cleric explains what it is that islam is supposed to do. reading that gave me a very different understanding of why the American Progressives seem to be far less bothered by these guys than the American Right.
I understand the problem. Its clear what the problem is.
Now the solution? Man I don't even know which direction to go to get to the place where actual solutions can be discussed... tossing out the bad and refining the not so bad...
I get your point. its a dangerous road blaming a religion for something. because once you get that messed cleaned up, what religion is next?
This is a very bad problem and I for one don't see any good solutions.
Bottom line here is that Islam is like no other religion on the planet. It is the only major religion that calls for the death of those who do not believe, and it is the only religion that codifies not simple a religious belief system, BUT an entire societal structure that includes government run solely by those who are faithful to the religion.
That makes it utterly unique in the world and its billion adherents uniquely dangerous.
Brother Ferd you know me, I only care about the Apostolic Pentecostals. Any other religion is on their own, I'm not called to advocate them or defend their beliefs. But this has happened everytime a group is demonized. Yes Islam, the Quran, and Hadiths have issues. But in the Nazi propaganda movie "The Eternal Jew" they took the Bible to prove that there was a danger with Jews.
My main concern is who is next? Hey the ball is already moving at break neck speed. It is only a matter of time before Muslims in the United States start swinging from a rope, having their homes and masjids firebombed. Hey I pray it doesn't happen, I pray no child has to hide behind her dad while the neighbors are screaming at the Muslim family to move out. All I'm saying is that we will all be judged on how we deal with this, and if one group goes down hard then another will be placed in the cross hairs. It is just lessons from history, and if we don't learn those lessons we must repeat until the lessons are learned.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Brother Ferd you know me, I only care about the Apostolic Pentecostals. Any other religion is on their own, I'm not called to advocate them or defend their beliefs. But this has happened everytime a group is demonized. Yes Islam, the Quran, and Hadiths have issues. But in the Nazi propaganda movie "The Eternal Jew" they took the Bible to prove that there was a danger with Jews.
My main concern is who is next? Hey the ball is already moving at break neck speed. It is only a matter of time before Muslims in the United States start swinging from a rope, having their homes and masjids firebombed. Hey I pray it doesn't happen, I pray no child has to hide behind her dad while the neighbors are screaming at the Muslim family to move out. All I'm saying is that we will all be judged on how we deal with this, and if one group goes down hard then another will be placed in the cross hairs. It is just lessons from history, and if we don't learn those lessons we must repeat until the lessons are learned.
I don't disagree with you at all. it is utterly complicated. and WHO IS NEXT is hugely important. because there will be a "next"...
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
There are some things being missed here.
ISIS/ISIL is Sunni Muslim. Most of our Muslim allies are Sunni.
This is why they have been reluctant to overtly oppose them.
Iran is Shia.
The battle in the Mid East is over much more than Israel/America/Oil, it is a over the largest two sects in Islam fighting to see who will dominate.
I have a friend who has a church in the Middle East. I will not mention where, because it would mean problems for him.
He was born and raised where he now pastors. He privately believes that Islam is a demonic religion. He says that they teach that true Muslims must learn the Koran in Arabic, because when you recite the Koran in Arabic, it will put you in a trance-like state. He cannot teach this openly and he does not discuss this with his saints. He does have several ex-Muslims that are now Apostolic.
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If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under - Ronald Reagan
I don't disagree with you at all. it is utterly complicated. and WHO IS NEXT is hugely important. because there will be a "next"...
I don't see the "next" one to come unless they are a religion of death. You don't see Christianity, as a whole, taking up for people who act out in the name of their beliefs, i.e. Fred Phelps, and that guy down in Florida who wanted to start burning Koran's.
Seriously, we have men and women in the music profession and Hollywood who thank God for the awards they receive when their songs are putrid and their actions are ungodly. They do true Christianity no favors.
We will suffer persecution, but God will arise and we will do exploits in His name. If the whole of the United States was like this man, we would turn the world upside down.
Look at this interview with a Boko Haran survivor and Greta VanSusteren. Incidentally, she shows how she and so many others, who control our news cycles, have no clue what Christianity is really about.
Greta: You’re not full of hate? I mean, about Boko Haran. I would be so full of bitterness and hate, I guess.
Boko Haran survivor: No, the teachings. We already have the teachings – that we would love our enemies. We would love them and pray for them. I love them, and I am praying that God will open their eyes one day.
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