Judging Others is a Condemnation of Self

[shazeep]

God knows how to make a difference between them that are His, and them
that only pretend to be His. God raises up evil men to punish evil men: and
He keeps our hands (True Believers hands, that is) free from shedding any
innocent blood.

K well i'd be careful to make sure that i wasn't on the wrong end of that first part there, in judging others and not yourselves, because the Religious Right's position of "they are all lost" is being taken as permission for genocide by many thoughtful people. Aren't OP pastors lending their imprimatur @ the UN now? Who you gonna vote for this time, phnx, the Liar or the Whore?
(why is that those willing to consider themselves True Believers (tm) seem to be the ones so quick to quote "righteous judgement" and never "you cannot judge?")

i see that this is rather pointed; sorry i lack grace.

[shazeep]

what is "true believer (tm)" but another way to say "those called out of humility, who say they can judge foreigners?"

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So, what say ye? Is it judging people to point at scripture that says all who are baptized and believe are saved, and apply that to people who were not baptized and did not believe to indicate they're lost and need to be saved??

Poor Peter! He told people they were lost and needed Acts 2:38. Where was the love of God?

Ironically the love of God is manifested in people who reach out to others with the saving gospel, telling how God so loved them He sent His Son to the cross.

I think what Paul is referring to is self righteous, prideful, hypocritical judgmentalism. When Jesus talks about judging in Matt 7, he calls out people who are judging others all the while having a glaring issue in their own lives. He instructs that one should take care of their own shortcomings so that they can help someone else with their issues.

The point of judging by the Body of Christ should be helping others, certainly it to condemn.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I think what Paul is referring to is self righteous, prideful, hypocritical judgmentalism. When Jesus talks about judging in Matt 7, he calls out people who are judging others all the while having a glaring issue in their own lives. He instructs that one should take care of their own shortcomings so that they can help someone else with their issues.

The point of judging by the Body of Christ should be helping others, certainly it to condemn.

Amen. But is it condemning others to point to scripture like baptism and faith saves, and apply that generally to anyone not baptized and believing?

[Esaias]

In this day and age only bible believing Christians are to be condemned. Everyone else gets a free pass. Didn't you get the memo?

lol

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In this day and age only bible believing Christians are to be condemned. Everyone else gets a free pass. Didn't you get the memo?

lol

Esaias, you know this is not a fair characterization. I was drawn into apologetics for them as a means to reason why God might consider someone's heart "pure" that does not believe like OPs do, period, and the issue has always been about pride. Which, as i guess i have said enough now, goes before a fall.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. But is it condemning others to point to scripture like baptism and faith saves, and apply that generally to anyone not baptized and believing?

How did Jesus preach the Gospel? The first church? It was direct, truthful, and pointed to Jesus. They spoke the truth in love. Telling someone what the Bible says in love isn't condemning. I could say "Unless you obey the Gospel, you're going to hell!" Or I could say, "God loved you so much He gave His only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." One condemns, the other one compels.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How did Jesus preach the Gospel? The first church? It was direct, truthful, and pointed to Jesus. They spoke the truth in love. Telling someone what the Bible says in love isn't condemning. I could say "Unless you obey the Gospel, you're going to hell!" Or I could say, "God loved you so much He gave His only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." One condemns, the other one compels.

Neither one condemns. Jesus once said "Unless you repent you will likewise perish" after mentioning some people who died in an accident.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How did Jesus preach the Gospel? The first church? It was direct, truthful, and pointed to Jesus. They spoke the truth in love. Telling someone what the Bible says in love isn't condemning. I could say "Unless you obey the Gospel, you're going to hell!" Or I could say, "God loved you so much He gave His only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." One condemns, the other one compels.

nice.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

How did Jesus preach the Gospel? The first church? It was direct, truthful, and pointed to Jesus. They spoke the truth in love. Telling someone what the Bible says in love isn't condemning. I could say "Unless you obey the Gospel, you're going to hell!" Or I could say, "God loved you so much He gave His only Son that whosoever believes on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." One condemns, the other one compels.

Exactly. That's what I believe. Otherwise there would not be a word for us to speak truth in love. But some disagree. To some, speaking truth is hateful whether it's done in love kindly or not. There is no kind talk of truth to some.