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Old 06-18-2007, 10:55 AM
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a true mark of Christian doctrine... If one denies that Jesus was God with us he is preaching another christ.
NO TRINITARIAN DENIES JESUS AS GOD!
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Old 06-18-2007, 10:56 AM
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The sad thing is, none of you know the trinitarian doctrine on any real level. You know what others have told you. This is the biggest problem by and large. Fear and ostracization keep you from finding the truth on the matter.

I love the attempts at humor. Would you be so kind if other threw them in your direction.... Oneness would mean Jesus was talking to Himself in the garden

oneness would mean Jesus would have to say not my will be done by mine

How about God the ventriliquist? God in heaven with using his "big voice" "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" God now in His little voice "thank you Father, I have fulfilled all righteousness"

Crude? Yes, it is, but it demonstrates the coursness of which most unknowing oneness folks use in their attempts to demean a doctrine they know nothing about
No demeaning from this Oneness poster regarding Trinitarians or Trinitarian thought.
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The sad thing is, none of you know the trinitarian doctrine on any real level. You know what others have told you. This is the biggest problem by and large. Fear and ostracization keep you from finding the truth on the matter.

I love the attempts at humor. Would you be so kind if other threw them in your direction.... Oneness would mean Jesus was talking to Himself in the garden

oneness would mean Jesus would have to say not my will be done by mine

How about God the ventriliquist? God in heaven with using his "big voice" "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" God now in His little voice "thank you Father, I have fulfilled all righteousness"

Crude? Yes, it is, but it demonstrates the coursness of which most unknowing oneness folks use in their attempts to demean a doctrine they know nothing about

being the one that made the funny.... sure. if a trinitarian wants to crack wise, then have at it. that doesnt change anything. God is still One. Jesus was still both God and Man.

More particularaly being that this is a Oneness board, then i will say things here among my brothers that i would not say in conversation with a trinitarian. Certainly not one with whom I am having a serious discussion with in an attempt to win them to the Lord.

speaking of things I would say here, (this is where I go all Epley on you)

I believe that the doctrine of the trinity is the devils single greatest weapon. It is delusion on the grandest scale and has caused more people to go to hell than any other thing that has ever come to us.
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And that is precisely why I posted what I did.
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Old 06-18-2007, 10:58 AM
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NO TRINITARIAN DENIES JESUS AS GOD!
right! Trinitarians expressly beleive that Jesus was both The Man Christ Jesus and the Second Person in the Godhead.

(Godhead refering to the Single God in Three Persons)

oh, and I DO know what the trinity believes from a trinitarian viewpiont and I stand by the poem.
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:03 AM
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"How about God the ventriliquist? God in heaven with using his "big voice" "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" God now in His little voice "thank you Father, I have fulfilled all righteousness"

This actually has some truth in it! It really only is problematic when we view it as Jesus (the begotten Son) the ventriliquist!
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being the one that made the funny.... sure. if a trinitarian wants to crack wise, then have at it. that doesnt change anything. God is still One. Jesus was still both God and Man.

More particularaly being that this is a Oneness board, then i will say things here among my brothers that i would not say in conversation with a trinitarian. Certainly not one with whom I am having a serious discussion with in an attempt to win them to the Lord.

speaking of things I would say here, (this is where I go all Epley on you)

I believe that the doctrine of the trinity is the devils single greatest weapon. It is delusion on the grandest scale and has caused more people to go to hell than any other thing that has ever come to us.
Gee I'd love to see you prove that
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:06 AM
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"How about God the ventriliquist? God in heaven with using his "big voice" "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" God now in His little voice "thank you Father, I have fulfilled all righteousness"

This actually has some truth in it! It really only is problematic when we view it as Jesus (the begotten Son) the ventriliquist!
Not for a trinitarian
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:08 AM
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The Trinitarian doctrine was formulated primarily by well-meaning church leaders who wished to purge the church of heresies much more damnable than Trinitarianism it'self.
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Old 06-18-2007, 11:12 AM
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Not for a trinitarian
I am saying if one believes the Son was speaking in the garden and then answering from heaven it becomes problematic - and ventriliquism.

But if it is viewed as the Son (God incarnate) speaking to the Father (God apart from the incarnation) it makes perfect sense.
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