If Obama Shared Israeli Intel With Turkey...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

That's not the transcript, that's the reporter's take on what happened -- and he wasn't there! "Some?" How does the reporter, who wasn't even there, know how many actually laughed?


Your source gives you an opportunity to read the actual transcript; instead you stick with commentary from a reporter who wasn't in the room.

Website is blocked on this computer.
I'll read it later.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

What is the LAST thing the FBI said about this? Seems to me that all they wanted to do was just cause questions. Heaven forbid we question the actual POTUS...

As I recall, Comey said Hilary was "reckless" but she did not intend to keep classified data on the private server. yet, according to the law, intent has nothing to do with it. This appears to be an example where the elites are held to a different standard than average Americans.

Who though? The practice of "gun-running" started under who? When?

I believe it may have started under the Bush Administration. A thorough investigation should be accomplished. People in the FBI should know that they will be held accountable when they break the law. Even if the President orders an illegal act to be done, there is no legal justification to break the law.

Disagree. That was investigated and the accusations were unfounded.

I disagree. The woman who refused to answer questions should have been fired and her retirement forfeited.

Disagree. There wasn't a single person responsible for Benghazi-- CONGRESS was responsible for Benghazi when they trimmed that mission's security funding.

This is not exactly true. As I recall, there were several requests to upgrade security. This goes through the State Dept. not Congress. They were all denied. Of course at the time Obama was running for re-election and trying to say that ISIS was a JV team and was nothing to worry about. Then the Middle east blew up. It was called the Arab Spring. People died and someone should be held accountable IMO.

That is not how a representative democracy works. Besides, the truth came out and I still cringe how people wanted to KNOW exactly what had happened within 48 hours of that terrorist attack when there were SEVERAL attacks and protests that day, around the whole world-- not just one.

This is true. However, it bothers me greatly that people do not seem to care and vote the liars back into office or the liars bosses keep the people on the payroll. This makes them complicit in the lie IMO. Of course this is a natural consequence to a nation that has kicked God out of the public sphere.

Disagree. The Constitutional implications are concerning, but unless an actual law was broken, drastic, knee-jerk responses like that won't help the direction our country is heading.

Really? You don't care about rampant government spying? What about the Constitution that is supposed to protect peoples right to be secure in their property and person's?

Disagree.

EDIT:

I am thinking that since this is a military situation, as Commander-In-Chief, he can make the call to not leave any Americans behind. So really, your only recourse would be to attempt to court martial the Commander-In-Chief. Not gonna happen. Bergdahl appears to be pure trash. I probably wouldn't have included White House photo ops for his parents in the carrying out of my duties to bring Bergdahl home. I would have done what I could to bring Americans home-- especially Americans who are alive.

This was not just an Executive decision. If I recall correctly the POTUS is supposed to have the consent of the Senate before releasing terrorists.

Care to elaborate? I disagree, but President Obama, the Constitutional scholar, probably thought about your objections before he made that deal. I probably haven't.

I doubt he had any concern for my objections. :-)
The Iran deal is a treaty. As such it requires Senate approval. By trying to argue that it was an Executive Order ignores the Constitution. It should be scrapped IMO. Iran is one of the largest state sponsor's of terrorism. They must not be allowed to attain nuclear weapons. They are crazy enough to use them against the "infidels".


Trump is his own worst enemy.
Agreed

If you want to show yourself objective, please bring up ALL the senseless POLITICAL violence connected with Trump, his words, and his supporters.
Perhaps some other time.

I would support it IF it wasn't presented in such a clearly xenophobic manner. His words has led to Judges across America questioning his intents with his travel ban.

The first Executive Order should have been written better. However, It was not a ban on ALL Muslims. It was a ban on people from specific countries that are known havens for terrorists. Then, it is temporary until a plan can be put in place to ensure a better vetting process. His words have nothing to do with it and judges should look to the law and not the media. It is an example of how the Left is hell bent on destroying everything he does. It is a scorched earth policy and they do not care about anything except their agenda IMO.

I think this question belies an unfortunate prejudice you have been fed concerning the vast majority of immigrants who come to America-- legally and illegally.

Most immigrants who come to America come for the opportunity-- not for the handout.

Then, you should agree that welfare and all other freebee's should be cut off? I reject the idea that my comment was based on "prejudice". Nowhere in my post did I reference anything that would target a person's ethnicity or religion or anything else. I believe you owe me an apology on this one. :-) It bothers me that the Tzarnov brothers were here planning their murderous attack in Boston while being supported by handouts from this country. Immigration is not a "right". It is privilege.


I don't like Trump and I believe it was a sad day for America when he was elected as our President.

I am at the point now where I really hope he is JUSTLY impeached so that we can try to salvage what is left behind the leadership of Mike Pence or Paul Ryan.

IMO opinion it would have been a worse day if Hilary had been elected.

[Esaias]

If Obama Shared Israeli Intel With Turkey...

...would the gravy be kosher? Or halal?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You know, I am sincerely dismayed over how so many Republicans insist on ignoring the real problems unfolding in front of our eyes with the Trump presidency.

Scandal after scandal after scandal. No! This is NOT NORMAL!

I am even more dismayed when I remember the harsh and irrational rhetoric and accusations Obama endured as some Republicans have the gall to casually forget that there was really no cause-- no substance to most of the harsh and irrational rhetoric leveled at President Obama.

Now we have President Trump, WHOSE OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS have contributed HUGELY to what is going on, and some Republicans are trying to convince others that President Trump is a victim!


I haven't been a Democrat for a long time. I don't usually vote Democrat and haven't for a straight Democrat ticket for a long, long time.

Still, the blatant inconsistency is so maddening!

Trump needs to be investigated and the investigations that should be launched need to come from INDEPENDENT investigators.

Should it be found that Trump is innocent of impeachable acts and should it be found that his actions are nothing more than "out of the ordinary", bordering on the politically "MORONIC", then I will look for ways to cheer on our underdog President.

Should it be found that Trump committed an impeachable act, I WILL PERSONALLY do what I can to make sure the matter is not "dropped" until impeachment proceedings begin!

Obama did ten times worse yet you him him a pass like he was some kind of saint.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The history books are going to record the Trump Administration as a national disgrace.

The history books are going to record the Obama Administration as a national disgrace.

[votivesoul]

So, how many guys were in the room with President Trump and these fellows from Russia, to actually know for certain that he said anything to them about anything?

And which of those guys in the room thought it proper to contact a journalist for the NYT?

And if this is a matter of national or international security, why isn't there a subpoena for the NYT to bring its source forward, so this person can publicly testify against President Trump?

All President Trump confirmed is that he shared non-specific intel with the Russians for humanitarian reasons, to protect airline flight safety, and to help in the war against ISIS.

How this became "highly-sensitive, super top-secret Intel from Israel", is beyond anyone's ability to know, unless they were in the room, and heard it firsthand.

I mean, look at this by-line from www.jpost.com:

"According to reports, "a current and a former American official familiar with how the United States obtained the information" has revealed Israel was the initial source of the intelligence."

Some "current and former American official", remaining nameless, faceless, and effectively non-existent person just happened to know what President Trump did and did not say while concurrently knowing that what President Trump did and did not say, just happened to come from Israel, and that this info was "highly-sensitive, super top-secret intel"?

Why have we checked our brains at the door? Where are the critical thinking skills necessary to immediately dismiss this garbage as conjectural nonsense until concretely proven otherwise?

This isn't about our President, or my political position regarding him. That's a non-factor. What it is about is trying to speak a word of wisdom and caution. We have allowed the chief priests in the news media cry "Crucify him" to a whole lot of people before we ever heard the facts, and it's sad to me, that of all people, believers in Christ Jesus should be some of the first to go right along with it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The history books are going to record the Obama Administration as a national disgrace.

If you look into it, history books are already looking quite favorably with regards to Obama. Things in the works about Trump are, well, not so favorable. lol

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If you look into it, history books are already looking quite favorably with regards to Obama. Things in the works about Trump are, well, not so favorable. lol

What?!?! I'm shocked! I cannot believe the biased media would ever view obama favorably, but view Trump unfavorably!

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The history books are going to record the Obama Administration as a national disgrace.

Nope.
The history books will all be re-written so that the BHO admin is the first "real" president of the US.
All preceeding ones were racist, sexist, homophobic...

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Nope.
The history books will all be re-written so that the BHO admin is the first "real" president of the US.
All preceeding ones were racist, sexist, homophobic...

so sad, and so true