Baptism

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by houstonupci

I have a very general question...

For those of you that think what is said at baptism is of utmost importance, I would really like to know your basis.

I absolutely believe baptism is essential according to the Word. However, I do not see a single time where there are specific words said at the time of baptism as is the practice in the church today.

And for those that believe "Jesus name" baptism is the only way, why is it not the same as "the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"? If they're the same thing, does it really matter? Would Jesus turn away a believe because the person that baptized them said the wrong words?

Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not. However, we must stand firm and without compromise... the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And therefore, so do we. If one desires to be baptized in the same manner as the seen in the New Testament, they will desire to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. All should be admonished to search the Scriptures and to make their calling and election sure.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not.

Bro, that is political psychobabble. Sorry God won't accept anything He preached against. God isn't going to pull a fast one on us, and let people through who did it wrong. Thank God that He isn't you, and He isn't me.
The whole Post Modern Society and your social liberalism of wanting to be nicer than Jesus takes doctrine and throws it to the wind.

Originally Posted by Aquila

However, we must stand firm and without compromise...

You see this is how psychobabble confuses everyone including the individual who is involved in using it. They make statements like "God is ultimately in control, BUT" To say God ultimately has the power to change everything in mid flight, is humanistic confusion. In their attempt to make everyone happy. Yet, your posting that God ultimately can change and let Jim Jones, and David Moses Berg into heaven is compromise. So, you introduce us to God the compromise, and then tell us we are to stand firm and not compromise?
Then you wonder why people shake their head when they read your material.

Originally Posted by Aquila

the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And therefore, so do we. If one desires to be baptized in the same manner as the seen in the New Testament, they will desire to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. All should be admonished to search the Scriptures and to make their calling and election sure.

You would of done a better job by not being vanilla and one dimensional. By just saying the above, instead of the Post Modernist Disclaimer.

[Dordrecht]

Yes, Aquilla, you might end up in hell.

:-) ;-)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Yes, Aquilla, you might end up in hell.

:-) ;-)

He probably get kicked out for wanting to have everyone to receive drops of water on their tongues.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well....ok....don't make it an attack on me personally....
Me and my family are baptized in Jesus name.

I was just asking a question people have asked me often.

So....if the preacher says the wrong words, even though the ones baptized are in good faith, they will go to hell.

Well I guess that would send roughly 90% of the Christian community to hell and only United Pentecostals will be saved.

some of us are not United Pentecostals.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not. However, we must stand firm and without compromise... the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And therefore, so do we. If one desires to be baptized in the same manner as the seen in the New Testament, they will desire to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. All should be admonished to search the Scriptures and to make their calling and election sure.

I teach, preach and practice baptism in the name of Jesus (Yeshua), but I am also of the view that Ultimately, it is entirely up to God as to if He will honor the faith of an individual who is baptized under the traditional triune formula or not.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Where was Jesus ever called Yeshua in the New Testament?

Oh, that's right the invisible Hebrew New Testament.

2,000 years of Iesous, Iesus, and Jesus and then the 19th century He gets a another name so people can feel more Jewish.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Where was Jesus ever called Yeshua in the New Testament?

Oh, that's right the invisible Hebrew New Testament.

2,000 years of Iesous, Iesus, and Jesus and then the 19th century He gets a another name so people can feel more Jewish.

The Bible was written by jewish writers,
The old and new testament saints were jewish
Yeshua was a jewish man, so no his real name was not some Greek or Latin name.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Bible was written by jewish writers,
The old and new testament saints were jewish
Yeshua was a jewish man, so no his real name was not some Greek or Latin name.

I'm Italian, I'm typing this post, this post is in English.
I have young people in our church family. They are Spanish, they only speak English. Jesus talks to a leader of the highest court in Jerusalem. His name is of Greek origin, but the man was a Judiean. Phillip was an apostle, his name is of Greek origin, but he was a Judean. Said all that to say this, the first century Judah had been under Gentile occupation for literally hundreds of years. While the whole He was a Jew argument is supposed to make everyone shut up, it doesn't. Because it creates more questions instead of settling the issue. The New Testament was written entirely in Greek. Jesus and His apostles quote from Aramaic Targums and the Greek LXX. Jesus specifically uses the LXX Isaiah scroll when He reads it at His hometown synagogue in Galilee of the GENTILES. Jesus was taken to Hellenized Egypt as a child. The name Iesous appears in the Greek LXX hundreds of years before the birth of Christ.

You guys have only started this Yeshua, Yahshua and Yehoshua name game since the 1930s? Before that everyone and their cousin used Jesus? Or whatever language they spoke form of Jesus?

In the attempts to sound more Jewish, you all only go back to the Middle Ages.
Which is the form of Judaism which is practiced by Rabbinical Jews today.

His name is Jesus and we call Him Jesus.

We have not one micro piece of any New Testament written in Hebrew dating to the time 2nd to 3rd centuries. Writing a New Testament manuscript in Hebrew would of been futile. Since the document was to go out through the whole known world. Especially to the Diaspora Judeans.