Billy Graham ministry similar to Philip in Acts 8?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's amazing to me how a question can be asked, answered, and then asked again as if no answer had been given.

And now we've gotten to the point where Phillip's character is impugned!

smh

Why was Philip still preaching only repentance and baptism AFTER Peter and John visited?

[thephnxman]

His NAME is Jesus!

Originally Posted by consapente89

I'm sorry I meant the Apostle Peter. No Phillip was not an Apostle. My apologies.

YES. You were quite correct and my response was superfluous.

Brother Villa

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

It's amazing to me how a question can be asked, answered, and then asked again as if no answer had been given.

And now we've gotten to the point where Phillip's character is impugned!

smh

I just read through the post and it felt a little surreal.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Quote the entire passage and it changes the perspective a bit...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

There is not just one sign mentioned here but several signs, new tongues among them.

The "new tongues" is always picked out as the sign, but in this passage, it is among a list of signs that is plural, not singular.

I already answered this

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Let's see, casting out devils, no sound, laying on hands, no sound, drinking deadly things, no sound, picking up serpents, no sound. New tongues SOUND.

While casting out devils and laying on of hands has the sound of prayer, it is the authority we are initially given. Yet, Jesus said "the Spirit breathes where He will, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where he comes and where he goes; thus is everyone who is born from The Spirit.” You will hear the voice of His Spirit from everyone who is born again. Authority is initially given to everyone who receive the Holy Ghost when you hear the sound of the Spirit which is tongues.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Back to the original question... I understand that there were different people groups that needed to be introduced to the gospel of Jesus Christ in that time. And it is important to note that Peter and John went to lay hands on the people Philip had preached to, and then they received the HG experience, so powerful and exciting that Simon the sorcerer wanted to buy it.

So we see the key had been delivered to unlock the promise of the HG to these folks.

Why then did Philip not preach the FULL (repent, baptism, tongues) experience to the eunuch? He certainly heard the message Peter and John preached, and whoever he was (the apostle, or the evangelist, scripture is not clear), he should have been enlightened at that point, and certainly should have changed his message at that point.

Why was he still preaching only repentance and baptism AFTER Peter and John visited?

That is the thorn here in this whole discussion.

And why I still wonder about the correlation of the deceased Dr. Graham, and Philip. Dr. Graham most certainly heard the good news about tongues, and rejected it, for whatever reason. Did Philip also reject it? And just continue preaching what he had already been preaching?

He has an angel and the Holy Ghost instructing him but you believe that Phillip refused to preach tongues? In Acts 22:16 no tongues is recorded, yet Paul said he spoke in tongues more than anyone 1 Corinthians 14:18 . Again, the New Testament isn't a detailed play by play, it must be taken wholistically in order to get a better picture. Jesus tells Nicodemo that "the Spirit breathes where he will, and you hear his voice, but you do not know from where he comes and where he goes; thus is everyone who is born from The Spirit.”
It is that simple, Phillip wasn't a renegade or forgetful, or the doctrine of tongues was just one of many gifts. Tongues was explained to Nicodemus, that in everyone which is birthed by the Spirit you will hear the Spirit's voice. Which Mark explains as New Tongues.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Back to the original question... I understand that there were different people groups that needed to be introduced to the gospel of Jesus Christ in that time. And it is important to note that Peter and John went to lay hands on the people Philip had preached to, and then they received the HG experience, so powerful and exciting that Simon the sorcerer wanted to buy it.

So we see the key had been delivered to unlock the promise of the HG to these folks.

Why then did Philip not preach the FULL (repent, baptism, tongues) experience to the eunuch? He certainly heard the message Peter and John preached, and whoever he was (the apostle, or the evangelist, scripture is not clear), he should have been enlightened at that point, and certainly should have changed his message at that point.

Why was he still preaching only repentance and baptism AFTER Peter and John visited?

That is the thorn here in this whole discussion.

And why I still wonder about the correlation of the deceased Dr. Graham, and Philip. Dr. Graham most certainly heard the good news about tongues, and rejected it, for whatever reason. Did Philip also reject it? And just continue preaching what he had already been preaching?

No you cannot compare Phillip's ministry with that of Graham. Graham wasn't even in the Church and Phillip was ordained by the Apostles for his ministry. Graham didn't have the Holy Ghost and Phillip did.

Acts 6:3-5 (KJV) 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. 4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. 5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by consapente89

No you cannot compare Phillip's ministry with that of Graham. Graham wasn't even in the Church and Phillip was ordained by the Apostles for his ministry. Graham didn't have the Holy Ghost and Phillip did.

Acts 6:3-5 (KJV) 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. 4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. 5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch:

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Why was Philip still preaching only repentance and baptism AFTER Peter and John visited?

You haven't shown that's all he was preaching. According to Acts 8:5 he preached Christ, according to Acts 8:12 he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ. Phillip was also operating in the Spirit, he preached the gospel with signs and wonders confirming the word (Acts 8:6-7).

So you are assuming things, and then basing your argument on your assumptions.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Why then did Philip not preach the FULL (repent, baptism, tongues) experience to the eunuch?

This right here is where many Pentecostals go off the rails and fall into the canyon below. The clouds are thick with the buzzards circling overhead, too.

Neither Phillip, nor any apostle, nor the entire early apostolic church, preached an "experience". They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Those who received their message "experienced" the effects of the Kingdom. You start preaching an "experience" and strong delusion is waiting in the wings.

Everyone is now looking for an "experience" instead of looking for Jesus and His Kingdom. Thus, we have a lot of tongue-talkers but few bona fide PENTECOSTAL, APOSTOLIC CHRISTIANS.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This right here is where many Pentecostals go off the rails and fall into the canyon below. The clouds are thick with the buzzards circling overhead, too.

Neither Phillip, nor any apostle, nor the entire early apostolic church, preached an "experience". They preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Those who received their message "experienced" the effects of the Kingdom. You start preaching an "experience" and strong delusion is waiting in the wings.

Everyone is now looking for an "experience" instead of looking for Jesus and His Kingdom. Thus, we have a lot of tongue-talkers but few bona fide PENTECOSTAL, APOSTOLIC CHRISTIANS.