Hillsong's Marty Sampson "Genuinely Losing Faith"

[Bro Flame]

This about Marty Sampson shouldn't shock any of us here, really. When measured against Biblical and AFF standards, Hillsong was long backslid, went Charismatic, exploited women, watered down the Gospel, etc.

A worship leader "loosing his faith" shouldn't be any more shocking.

[n david]

My favorite quotes:

""We are in a dangerous place when the church is looking to 20 year old worship singers as our source of truth. We now have a church culture that learns who God is from singing modern praise songs rather than from the teachings of the Word.

Singers are not always the best people to write solid bible truth and doctrine.""
Truth! I don't see this as big of an issue in Apo/Pente churches as in mainstream and especially mega churches. And honestly, I don't place all the blame on these young worship leaders. I blame the Pastors who, in their desire to make the church they Pastor well known, they elevate these WL's so the music is known more than the preached Word of God.

""It is time for the church to rediscover the preeminence of the Word. And to value the teaching of the Word. We need to value truth over feeling. Truth over emotion.""
AMEN! Once you allow any doubt of the Word of God, or put anything over the Word of God, you will fall. You will fail. The popular thing today is "my truth." I see it a lot with politics and social justice millennials -- "I'm speaking my truth." It's not OUR truth, it's GOD'S truth. And God's truth must be valued over emotions and feelings.

""Is it any wonder that some of our disavowed Christian leaders are letting go of the absolute truth of the Bible and subsequently their lives are falling apart? Further and further they are sinking in the sea all the while shouting “now I’ve found the truth! Follow me!!” Brothers and sisters in the faith all around the world, pastors, teachers, worship leaders, influencers...I implore you, please please in your search for relevancy for the gospel, let us NOT find creative ways to shape Gods word into the image of our culture by stifling inconvenient truths. But rather let us hold on even tighter to the anchor of the living Word of God. For He changes NOT. “The grass withers and the flowers fade away, but the word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8)""
"In your search for relevancy for the gospel..." That's the issue right there. They're trying so hard to transform the Gospel to unbelievers instead of transforming unbelievers to the Gospel.

""Let us hold on even tighter to the anchor of the living Word of God. For He changes NOT.""

Amen.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Apostolics never lose their faith and fall away? They teach the solid word of God?

PS Mike I could have addressed this to any of us in this thread including myself.

These guys are in a whole different category, bound to lose faith... Only rhyming words and no deep word and teaching. There are people like that in groups that have deep word . But a whole lifestyle of no deep word...

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by mfblume

These guys are in a whole different category, bound to lose faith... Only rhyming words and no deep word and teaching. There are people like that in groups that have deep word . But a whole lifestyle of no deep word...

Good point

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

These guys are in a whole different category, bound to lose faith... Only rhyming words and no deep word and teaching. There are people like that in groups that have deep word . But a whole lifestyle of no deep word...

[JamesGlen]

And this modern day world of Christianity has been steadily putting what they’ve deemed as “worship leading”, above apologetics. Priorities out of alignment.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

And this modern day world of Christianity has been steadily putting what they’ve deemed as “worship leading”, above apologetics. Priorities out of alignment.

No one mentioned that they wear skinny jeans, full of piercings, and covered in tattoos.

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by diakonos

No one mentioned that they wear skinny jeans, full of piercings, and covered in tattoos.

What is funny is that while you brought that up, I actually just ALMOST posted that many modern day “Christians” make it hard for the hells angels club to stand out as bad dudes! What a mess...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

What is funny is that while you brought that up, I actually just ALMOST posted that many modern day “Christians” make it hard for the hells angels club to stand out as bad dudes! What a mess...

Well, with the whole "standards arguments" why would subculture attire be verboten? I have asked this in other threads, but seriously, where does the Bible teach against men wearing mascara, nail polish, skinny jeans, or tattoos.
Leviticus 19:28 is clearly speaking of a religious ceremonial cutting as in Deuteronomy 14:1. It was the cutting as the prophets of Baal and Elijah 1st Kings 18:24-29. So, while everyone goes down in flames over Deuteronomy 22:5, they should think about how far down the rabbit's hole they are going to go. No Bible against men wearing nose rings or giant loops in their ears. If you think what we are seeing now in the churches are side show freakish, just think how bad it will become in yeas to come.

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, with the whole "standards arguments" why would subculture attire be verboten? I have asked this in other threads, but seriously, where does the Bible teach against men wearing mascara, nail polish, skinny jeans, or tattoos.
Leviticus 19:28 is clearly speaking of a religious ceremonial cutting as in Deuteronomy 14:1. It was the cutting as the prophets of Baal and Elijah 1st Kings 18:24-29. So, while everyone goes down in flames over Deuteronomy 22:5, they should think about how far down the rabbit's hole they are going to go. No Bible against men wearing nose rings or giant loops in their ears. If you think what we are seeing now in the churches are side show freakish, just think how bad it will become in yeas to come.

Your comments a few weeks back about the coffee Bible study led by the guy w mascara and fingernail polish kinda put me to thinking on relative things......my sister attends a mega church AOG. After reading your post I asked her about having a guy w mascara, nail polish, and a sissy hair bun teaching her kids in SS class...she said well we have guys w big earring holes. I said have they been in the church a while? She said yes, and that as long as their heart is right w God then it’d be ok w her for them to teach her kids...(and said some is culture related...whatever)
Ugh.
See, the deal is, right after you posted that, my same sisters husband (they all attend the AOG mega)took his 15 year old daughter(my niece)to get a small cross tattoo behind her ear, and they were ok w it. He even wants to get another tattoo himself(has 1or2). Last year she and I sorta discussed/locked over asking ahead of time about him drinking a beer or two when we came over for family events. They have no prob w that either. I said how does is your church teaching on that and she said they don’t want their teachers drinking alcohol. Then she said if she ever quit her church teaching position she could consider drinking at that time, like her husband(doesn’t teach) does now and then when cooking on the grill.

So then, the beer, tattoos, ear frisbees, heck probly even tackle box face for all I can tell, is acceptable.
So back to the pastors having some wiggle room, yes I see what you’re meaning. I think they need to be cautious and wise about how they approach it, but things need addressed.

Kinda funny thing...a few years after i “got in”(probly 15-18 years ago), I asked our now retired pastor how come he couldn’t preach against guys wearing pink shirts?( I had been to men’s conference and the in thing was guys wearing pink). He said he couldn’t hardly do that... I said alright.
I still think guy should not wear pink. But looking back I’ve seen him wear a light pink a few times, and he’s all man brick laying break your hand w a handshake carpenter mans man...so, I guess if he wants to.
I still hate’m

Hope this post is understandable...it’s late kinda rambling. Turning in.