The creation Mandate

[Amanah]

When I was in my 20s a friend of mine won to Jesus a homosexual male who was baptized and received the Holy Ghost and determined to live for God and not entertain his proclivities. He has an extremely handsome young man who the single women found enchanting. He though was not opposite sex attracted in the least. It could be very sad if he felt commanded to marry.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Amanah

My sister chose to remain single, and is single till this day.
She was molested by a Catholic priest when she was 11.
He molested her without penetrating her,
she never emotionally recovered and remains a virgin.
While I believe most people will choose marriage,
Some may not.

That is very sad. I am a father of 5 daughters and I don't need to think too much about what I would do to someone if they hurt them like that. I am not a violent person but there is not much lower than this type of behavior. It takes a sick person to allow their lust to get so out of hand.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When I was in my 20s a friend of mine won to Jesus a homosexual male who was baptized and received the Holy Ghost and determined to live for God and not entertain his proclivities. He has an extremely handsome young man who the single women found enchanting. He though was not opposite sex attracted in the least. It could be very sad if he felt commanded to marry.

I agree.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When I was in my 20s a friend of mine won to Jesus a homosexual male who was baptized and received the Holy Ghost and determined to live for God and not entertain his proclivities. He has an extremely handsome young man who the single women found enchanting. He though was not opposite sex attracted in the least. It could be very sad if he felt commanded to marry.

Matthew 19:11-12 KJV
But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. [12] For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

“Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.”
....1 Corinthians‬ ..7‬:..7‬ ..NASB1995‬‬

This is where the idea is derived

Yeah, I know.

But the phrase "gift of singleness", such as is commonly taught, isn't being taught there. The Greek term for "gift" is charisma, that is, a special endowment of grace from God, for one thing, or the other, famously used in 1 Corinthians 12-14 to describe the gifts of the Spirit.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_corinthians/7-7.htm

The charisma being described by Paul is in contrast to his condition at the time. He, by concession, recommends or desires that people would remain as he is (whatever state that is, which is contested), but/however, each man has his own charisma from God...

So, basically, God gives grace to everyone to seek or pursue whatever level of intimate relationships they desire.

But singleness in and of itself, isn't a "gift" from God, that is, something God gives to a person. Rather, if a man decides he wants to remain single, God can and will endow him with the necessary grace to endure the temptation to sin, that is, in and through sexual lust.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

My sister chose to remain single, and is single till this day.
She was molested by a Catholic priest when she was 11.
He molested her without penetrating her,
she never emotionally recovered and remains a virgin.
While I believe most people will choose marriage,
Some may not.

I'm sorry this happened to her.

Is the fact she never married directly tied to her never emotionally recovering, from the abuse, or were there other factors at play?

That is, do you suppose, such as anyone can even suppose anything, that had the abuse never occurred, she would likely have married?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When I was in my 20s a friend of mine won to Jesus a homosexual male who was baptized and received the Holy Ghost and determined to live for God and not entertain his proclivities. He has an extremely handsome young man who the single women found enchanting. He though was not opposite sex attracted in the least. It could be very sad if he felt commanded to marry.

If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature?

God left him in the state He found him in, that is, as a homosexual?

Please clarify?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature?

God left him in the state He found him in, that is, as a homosexual?

Please clarify?

Our flesh wars against the Spirit of God that is within us and we have to bring flesh into subjection. We are not immune to temptation or frailties of our flesh, but through the Spirit we overcome.

Galatians 5:17
New King James Version
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Our flesh wars against the Spirit of God that is within us and we have to bring flesh into subjection. We are not immune to temptation or frailties of our flesh, but through the Spirit we overcome.

Galatians 5:17
New King James Version
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

I had a neighbor that was very effeminate. His voice was like a girl. Years later, I saw him far away with a Bible under his arm. I was surprised to see he was converted to Christ. When I greeted him, he responded like a man, normal. I was so shocked.
I had another homosexual neighbor that had even a partner. My neighbor converted as well, and broke with his partner, and began to attend church. After a few years, he went back to homosexuality, told my mother “I tried hard but I just can’t”

I may be overgeneralizing or simplifying things, I have never been in that specific position, but when I see people struggling internally for so long still about sins like that, it makes me think they are not truly and fully repented.
Some people don’t really look back and say “what I did/practice was just messed up, perverse, evil, it is offensive to my creator”
Instead, the thought process is more like “what I did/practice was not good for *me*, my creator doesn’t want *me* to do such harm to *myself*, he has something better for *me*” They focus more in the personal consequences than in the wrong of the sin itself.

Sorry, if I appear as misjudging your friend. Not my intention. Just sharing a thought. Reality sometimes is more complex that we think. I am glad to see he is making an effort and coming to the house of God.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I had a neighbor that was very effeminate. His voice was like a girl. Years later, I saw him far away with a Bible under his arm. I was surprised to see he was converted to Christ. When I greeted him, he responded like a man, normal. I was so shocked.
I had another homosexual neighbor that had even a partner. My neighbor converted as well, and broke with his partner, and began to attend church. After a few years, he went back to homosexuality, told my mother “I tried hard but I just can’t”

I may be overgeneralizing or simplifying things, I have never been in that specific position, but when I see people struggling internally for so long still about sins like that, it makes me think they are not truly and fully repented.
Some people don’t really look back and say “what I did/practice was just messed up, perverse, evil, it is offensive to my creator”
Instead, the thought process is more like “what I did/practice was not good for *me*, my creator doesn’t want *me* to do such harm to *myself*, he has something better for *me*” They focus more in the personal consequences than in the wrong of the sin itself.

Sorry, if I appear as misjudging your friend. Not my intention. Just sharing a thought. Reality sometimes is more complex that we think. I am glad to see he is making an effort and coming to the house of God.

I read somewhere that homosexuals speak in their normal man voice when coming out of anesthesia.