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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Which tribulation? we all are going to be here for the tribulation, including the church, the same way Israel was in Egypt during the plagues.
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Therefore the "Church" will be protected like Israel was in Goshen?
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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I believe so.
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Ok. This tribulation will just be against the Church? Or, will this tribulation be against the Church and with National Israel? Or just against the world?
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Therefore the "Church" will be protected like Israel was in Goshen?
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Yes, like in Goshen.
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Yes, like in Goshen.
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Therefore modern day National Israel, all Jews, and everyone else who isn't a Christian will suffer?
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Ok. This tribulation will just be against the Church? Or, will this tribulation be against the Church and with National Israel? Or just against the world?
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There will be an increase persecution against the church, probably close to global. There will also be different kinds of tribulation sent by God upon many parts of the world as God choose to. That one is the one I say it won't touch the church. Regarding national Israel, I think it has a place in the end, but they are not the church of God
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Therefore modern day National Israel, all Jews, and everyone else who isn't a Christian will suffer?
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Yup, but I am not saying in what way. That's God's decision. I believe the nation of Israel today has a place in the end times, and will go through their own struggles and tribs as God plans. No one living there will be saved without Acts 2:38.
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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There will be an increase persecution against the church, probably close to global. There will also be different kinds of tribulation sent by God upon many parts of the world as God choose to. That one is the one I say it won't touch the church. Regarding national Israel, I think it has a place in the end, but they are not the church of God
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This is the interesting part. Israel in Classical Dispensationalism is the main focus. The Church is raptured out, and Israel remains behind. In Modern post 1948 Dispensationalism Israel is getting a second chance to redeem herself with God. Jesus returns with the raptured saints, and all Jews living on the planet see the scars in Jesus' hands and repent nationally. They both rule in the Millennial Kingdom over all of those who made it through the tribulation. Satan is loosed and gathers all the nations against Israel for one final battle.
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Yup, but I am not saying in what way. That's God's decision. I believe the nation of Israel today has a place in the end times, and will go through their own struggles and tribs as God plans. No one living there will be saved without Acts 2:38. |
Why does the nation of Israel have a place in the end times? Some believe that the church came to be, because Israel rejected Christ. Therefore Israel is given her second chance to accept Jesus. Reason being they will all get to see that He is their Messiah.
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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Why does the nation of Israel have a place in the end times? Some believe that the church came to be, because Israel rejected Christ. Therefore Israel is given her second chance to accept Jesus. Reason being they will all get to see that He is their Messiah.
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I'm not speaking with "doctrinal" certainty like I would speak of the Oneness of God. I have my own ideas how things could play out. I think modern Israel will play a role in escalating conflict and hatres against God and all his people in this world.
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Re: Dispensationalism undermines the gospel
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I'm not speaking with "doctrinal" certainty like I would speak of the Oneness of God. I have my own ideas how things could play out. I think modern Israel will play a role in escalating conflict and haters against God and all his people in this world.
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Like Jerusalem will be a cup of trembling unto all the people round about?
Israel will be the one to escalate the Great Tribulation? Do you see Jerusalem/Israel/Judaism as Mystery Babylon?
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