R. Warren and his Impact on Apostolic?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I disagree.

I've seen too many Baptist with deep conviction and burden for the lost, who care little for a larger roll, but for a community that needed to hear "the gospel and be saved."

The ones in the South must be different than the "once saved, always saved" churches then.

Sincerity does not save one either.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The ones in the South must be different than the "once saved, always saved" churches then.

Sincerity does not save one either.

To this, I sincerely agree.

RW's methods, in my opinion, lead to sin being able to be comfortable in the pew. Sinner friendly usually goes too far in the wrong direction and we become religiously correct instead of Biblically accurate in an effort not to offend the visitor. Thus we end up with an assembly that is 10 miles wide and 1/8" deep bearing little resemblance at all to the body of Christ!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The ones in the South must be different than the "once saved, always saved" churches then.

Sincerity does not save one either.

What may not be so obvious is that the Holy Spirit is invading many, many Baptist churches, and to see them as shallow OS AS is really missing what God is doing.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by philjones

RW's methods, in my opinion, lead to sin being able to be comfortable in the pew. Sinner friendly usually goes too far in the wrong direction and we become religiously correct instead of Biblically accurate in an effort not to offend the visitor. Thus we end up with an assembly that is 10 miles wide and 1/8" deep bearing little resemblance at all to the body of Christ!

I don't think RW is advocating "sinner friendly" so much as "seeker friendly". Of course I could be reading some of his material with Holy Ghost tinted glasses.....

Every sinner should feel the convicting power of The Word and feel the need to go to an alter in repentance and know they are welcome to do so!

[Steve Epley]

Years ago a couple of preachers came by where I was pastoring and invited me to go to Hammond, In. and see how Jack Hyles grows his church. They were excited. I asked "Do you mean Jack Hyles the Southern Baptist preacher?" The answer was excitedly in the affirmative. I said you must be kidding right? They looked shocked. My answer was the same about him. Jack Hyles is NOT a member of the Lord's Church how could he tell anyone how to build an Apostolic church? With all these mega churches with their formulas and programs I am NOT the least bit impressed. The reason diamonds are so valuable is that they are NOT laying by the side of the road everywhere. Quanity is NOT necessarily Quality. If you have a million and none of them are saved what have you accomlished?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have NOT read his book but heard so much about it on here I have no desire to. I am NOT interested in anything he has to say about growing the church. Firstly he is NOT in the church so he does NOT have a clue.

DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

PREACH IT!!!!!

DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Ignant. When it comes to growth models, he does indeed have a clue. He's got a clue about attracting people and having numerical growth.

However, when it comes to things of the spirit, I do not agree with much of what RW does. If the above quote from SE was in reference to RW not having a clue about things of the spirit, I'd agree.

I remember reading an article, I believe I still have it saved, about how RW de-christianized his church. That's to say, according to the article, he took all the symbolism of christianity out of his church. The article went to describe how he runs the church much like a business.

After that article and reading other things about RW, I've been unimpressed with him.

I like and have used books and tools from his youth ministry team, including Purpose Drive Youth Ministry. It's basic growth, but doesn't capture what's needed in the spirit.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Epley]

Crowds must really impress you? Maybe you can go to Mecca or the vatician next vacation?

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Years ago a couple of preachers came by where I was pastoring and invited me to go to Hammond, In. and see how Jack Hyles grows his church. They were excited. I asked "Do you mean Jack Hyles the Southern Baptist preacher?" The answer was excitedly in the affirmative. I said you must be kidding right? They looked shocked. My answer was the same about him. Jack Hyles is NOT a member of the Lord's Church how could he tell anyone how to build an Apostolic church? With all these mega churches with their formulas and programs I am NOT the least bit impressed. The reason diamonds are so valuable is that they are NOT laying by the side of the road everywhere. Quanity is NOT necessarily Quality. If you have a million and none of them are saved what have you accomlished?

I agree with your statement that is bolded. Wouldn't it be an accomplishment (In the Spirit by Jesus giving the increase) if you have a million and they all are filled with the Holy Ghost?? Having lots does not have to mean you are a compromiser or lost.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have NOT read his book but heard so much about it on here I have no desire to. I am NOT interested in anything he has to say about growing the church. Firstly he is NOT in the church so he does NOT have a clue.

DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

PREACH IT!!!!!

DUMB!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Ignant. When it comes to growth models, he does indeed have a clue. He's got a clue about attracting people and having numerical growth.

However, when it comes to things of the spirit, I do not agree with much of what RW does. If the above quote from SE was in reference to RW not having a clue about things of the spirit, I'd agree.

I remember reading an article, I believe I still have it saved, about how RW de-christianized his church. That's to say, according to the article, he took all the symbolism of christianity out of his church. The article went to describe how he runs the church much like a business.

After that article and reading other things about RW, I've been unimpressed with him.

I like and have used books and tools from his youth ministry team, including Purpose Drive Youth Ministry. It's basic growth, but doesn't capture what's needed in the spirit.

BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!