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09-29-2007, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Stop worrying about what the Jones' think of you? In other word, stop worrying if you (as a minister) have celebrity status....stop worrying about what seats you have at General Conference....basically shooting down the attitude that has a deep longing and desire for significance....
....MJ rather be a sinner's hero than the UPC's celebrity...and things like that.
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Sounds like a good message.
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09-29-2007, 07:49 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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MJ questioned why 10 yrs ago the attendance at GC was the same as it is today....he is inferring that there is something wrong when there aren't new souls filling the place.... said something about continually preaching to saved folks rather than being out there affecting your own community and neighborhood....stop making extravagent goals (i.e. 1 million converts in 10 yrs...didnt use this specific example, I am using to make his point) and consider, John, Jill, Karen and Mike who are your neighbors....
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09-29-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
MJ questioned why 10 yrs ago the attendance at GC was the same as it is today....he is inferring that there is something wrong when there aren't new souls filling the place.... said something about continually preaching to saved folks rather than being out there affecting your own community and neighborhood....stop making extravagent goals (i.e. 1 million in 10 yrs...didnt use this specific example, I am using to make his point) and consider, John, Jill, Karen and Mike who are your neighbors....
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Wow!
I am gonna have to buy that video.
Sounds wonderful.
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09-29-2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
MJ questioned why 10 yrs ago the attendance at GC was the same as it is today....he is inferring that there is something wrong when there aren't new souls filling the place.... said something about continually preaching to saved folks rather than being out there affecting your own community and neighborhood....stop making extravagent goals (i.e. 1 million in 10 yrs...didnt use this specific example, I am using to make his point) and consider, John, Jill, Karen and Mike who are your neighbors....
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Yeah, I liked that part. Quit saying you're going to win 100 souls; say you're going to win your neighbors. That's good for ALL of us!
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09-29-2007, 07:58 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Wow!
I am gonna have to buy that video.
Sounds wonderful.
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Pretty impactful, bro....I just wonder how effective it is....do ministers actually walk away correcting some of the defects he pointed out and making an about face...or does the celebrity status feel too good to let go....
the need for significance is a very strong human need for many...
...how often does a message like this have to be given before it starts having lasting affect? just wondering... years?
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09-29-2007, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Pretty impactful, bro....I just wonder how effective it is....do ministers actually walk away correcting some of the defects he pointed out and making an about face...or does the celebrity status feel too good to let go....
the need for significance is a very strong human need for many...
...how often does a message like this have to be given before it starts having lasting effect? just wondering... years?
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Oh so true.....
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09-29-2007, 08:03 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Originally Posted by lisafitzh2o
Oh so true.....
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That's it....I've seen your husband's avatar as he just joined AFF recently and thought to myself "that face looks familiar"....and now I realize it's because I have seen him in your avatar....
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09-29-2007, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Pretty impactful, bro....I just wonder how effective it is....do ministers actually walk away correcting some of the defects he pointed out and making an about face...or does the celebrity status feel too good to let go....
the need for significance is a very strong human need for many...
...how often does a message like this have to be given before it starts having lasting affect? just wondering... years?
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Good questions J.
I think it takes time and great leadership to change a mindset.
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09-29-2007, 08:08 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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He mentioned something about being okay to be driving "station wagons"....
...I guess as opposed to BMWs.
Are there plenty of ministers that are driving BMWs & Mercedes? I cant imagine...
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09-29-2007, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
That's it....I've seen your husband's avatar as he just joined AFF recently and thought to myself "that face looks familiar"....and now I realize it's because I have seen him in your avatar....
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yeah, he has one of those faces...... 
j/k, dear!
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