That did NOT believe the new birth they might feel at home this could could be the NEXT move backwards.
Brother Epley, if these were AMF guys, then your comment would be very important to the topic. They are not however. The UPCI was formed by men who believed as you and I do in the Water Spirit doctrine, but it also had an element that belived differently.
If it is a move backwards, it is a move back to what it once was.
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Solid in what? Their lack of tolerance for other men of God? Lack of love for the whole Body of Christ? Solid in their opposition of the org's vision and purpose. Solid in their own kingdom building? Solid in their control over their members lives?
Solid in doctrine, character, integrity.
Church builders, mentors of young men, men with vision and passion.
Lovers of Truth.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
I think what is going to happen in the UPC is going to be similar to what happens sometimes in the sports world. Some sports star leaves their team and everyone gets upset about it, the fans get mad at the team, criticize management, talk about how the team is going to be worse off and THEN the guys' backup steps in and shows that he's just as good or better.
i.e. Indianapoli Colts......E. James left....Addaih steps up
McNabb goes down, Garcia steps up
need I bring up Bledsoe and Brady? Bledsoe and Romo?
Griese and Grossman......lol ok that was a bad example but you get my drift.
The UPC is still an organization of men and women that are trying to reach the world with the gospel, it still is a mission's minded organization and that pleases God. IMO God's not gonna let this ship sink....nor is it even close to sinking anyhow
Hey listen, Being from Indianapolis I appreciate the 'anaology', but I really hate to see some really great men of God leaving the UPC.
Boom I can count 3 former aljc churches within a two hour drive who made the switch to upci. Each city has an established upci work. In WV town near where I live, a preacher turned in his upci license because of a dispute with pastor. He began to go to the aljc church (5 minutes from the original upci work, and 10 minutes from the original aljc church.) When this guy because pastor, all of a sudden he was given a license and now the church is upci... I have friends who pastor about a nearby town. An UPCI church was established. The ALJC affiliated chruch had a few hundred members. They ALJC church switched affiliations a few years ago.
How can one morally claim success when they raid another organization?
I wonder if the foreign constituency is included in the head count. Comparing apples to apples, The numbers aren't as elaborate as they are portrayed to be. Sometimes the process is like handling out medical licenses to thrid world doctors. The process is compromised for the sake of statistics.
It's like the church about 25 miles from where I live. They have seen a good percentage of church growth. 99% of their growth comes from disgruntled saints from our church. That's not church growth. The upci
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Newly licensed former ALJC...
Is that easier. :gclock
Tv1a - You are as caustic as ever. oloroid
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
People leaving their orgs and jumping over to the UPC because the TV thing passed?
That doesn't make sense.
The only way that makes any sense is if they are doing it because they see the current (if it is true) UPC bailout as an opportunity to jump on board the UPC at a time that they have some chance of steering the org in a direction equal to their particular agenda.
Does ALJC forbid tv advertising?
The ALJC has been losing ministers to the UPC and independant ranks for years.
Yes, they do allow TV.
One of the reasons more have not come our way is because of the UPC's prohibition on TV, now that it is lifted many have and will be coming in.
I dont know if it was inteneded but this sure seems like a low blow.
the only thing this current upheaval can be compared to is the 1992 AS resolution that led to the withdrawal of quite a few men.
Then as now, those that left were men of high caliber.
Many of those that left as fall out from 1992 were not "radical fringe" people. MANY were solid men who had helped build the UPCI from its earliest days.
I caught that little slam also. I hope the inference that you and I picked up on was not intentional.
The ALJC infrastructure needs rehauled, but it's not as bad as people make it to be.
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The ALJC has been losing ministers to the UPC and independant ranks for years.
Yes, they do allow TV.
One of the reasons more have not come our way is because of the UPC's prohibition on TV, now that it is lifted many have and will be coming in.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
I caught that little slam also. I hope the inference that you and I picked up on was not intentional.
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Counting noses doesn't tell the tale.\
When you lose men of the caliber of some of those who are leaving, you don't replace them by just licensing some other guy.
This time it isn't some radical fringe leaving.
Many of these are solid men.
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__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
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