Ouestion for those staying in the UPC

[Felicity]

Bro. Epley........

TB signed it before for a few years. We've been in discussion with leadership about this. It seems it might not be much of a problem.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I don't know if it changed enough they might??? If TB wasn't forced to sign something he did not believe he might reconsider maybe??? And I think there may be others? I could be wrong I was ONCE but it has been so long ago I don't remember what it was about.

You could always ask your dear wife to remind you...

You know we NEVER forget things like that.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Ferd this group is not the 1948 group and you are going to have them NOT their fahters. Again hoiw would YOU feel about a UPC church in your city preaching you did not have to obey Acts 2:38 to be saved? That is the question that begs an answer?

Brother E, I think I answered. I dont want the neuvo-PCI crowd. Dont think they belong and I dont think they fit.

I also think, they dont want to belong either.

I am perfectly fine with someone like TB being in the UPCI and in the same town as me.

The clairity comes on the understanding of what we mean by PCI. (I really wish we had a better name for the doctrinal position)

[Felicity]

Just so happens that TB prayed a Spanish lady sitting behind us up in the balcony through to speaking in tongues at Gen. Conf. on Sunday night.

Now why would he bother doing that if he doesn't think people NEED this?

Most of the other PAJC (just a guess they were - maybe they weren't really - hehe ) preachers were sitting around watching.

Hmmmm..................

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Brother E, I think I answered. I dont want the neuvo-PCI crowd. Dont think they belong and I dont think they fit.

I also think, they dont want to belong either.

I am perfectly fine with someone like TB being in the UPCI and in the same town as me.

The clairity comes on the understanding of what we mean by PCI. (I really wish we had a better name for the doctrinal position)

I highly respect TB for his honesty and integrity but no I am sorry I could not belong to a group that allowed preacher to preach one could be saved without obeying Acts 2:38. Evidently the UPC is returning to the 'merger agreement' days which many will not be able to tolerate.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I highly respect TB for his honesty and integrity but no I am sorry I could not belong to a group that allowed preacher to preach one could be saved without obeying Acts 2:38. Evidently the UPC is returning to the 'merger agreement' days which many will not be able to tolerate.

Brother Epley, I fully understand your position and your integrity in the matter. You have never been part of an organizaition that did have different views.

The UPCI, however was always this way. it has only been in recent years that this has been an issue. The fact is, the UPCI was designed a certain way. I like the way it was designed and think it ought to remain true to that design.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Brother Epley, I fully understand your position and your integrity in the matter. You have never been part of an organizaition that did have different views.

The UPCI, however was always this way. it has only been in recent years that this has been an issue. The fact is, the UPCI was designed a certain way. I like the way it was designed and think it ought to remain true to that design.

Are you wanting to go back to the blueprint?????????

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I highly respect TB for his honesty and integrity but no I am sorry I could not belong to a group that allowed preacher to preach one could be saved without obeying Acts 2:38. Evidently the UPC is returning to the 'merger agreement' days which many will not be able to tolerate.

Well, maybe that explains why you were never part of the UPC?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Ferd the difference today than 1948 with the original PCI men is they preached Acts 2:38 so fervently most did not know the difference their decendants do not. They BELIEVE what the PCI men believed but the preaching is NOT the same. Would you be comfortable with that??? A UPC in your town preaching a man can be saved without obeying Acts 2:38?

Elder, I only see "one" plan of salvation in the Bible-obedience to Acts 2:38.
Anything less than that is "rolling the dice" with God.

How I see it anyway.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Well, maybe that explains why you were never part of the UPC?

That is the underlying reason. I could NEVER hold license with a group that teaches men could be saved without obeying Acts 2:38 in this dispensation. And many in the UPC was raised the same and were ignorant concerning the toleration of the other view that is just a fact. This is NOT 1948 and most of those men are dead and the emphasis is not the same. If it reverts the defection will be even more. However I guess an organization of some type will already be in place to recieve them?