Take heed unto thyself, and unto the DOCTRINE

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

Keep reading. It's an interesting book but it won't hurt you.

I found what he wrote about "yokes" really interesting and discovered something that I'd never known before. And that is what a "yoke" is. It's "teaching" or "doctrine". Each rabbi had their own "yoke". Jesus - who was regarded as a Rabbi or Teacher said His yoke in comparison to the other rabbis (the Pharisees and others maybe? ) was easy.

Interesting, huh?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Keep reading. It's an interesting book but it won't hurt you.

I found what he wrote about "yokes" really interesting and discovered something that I'd never known before. And that is what a "yoke" is. It's "teaching" or "doctrine". Each rabbi had their own "yoke". Jesus - who was regarded as a Rabbi or Teacher said His yoke in comparison to the other rabbis (the Pharisees and others maybe? ) was easy.

Interesting, huh?

I read about half of the book earlier this evening, and will probably finish it before bedtime. The yoke thing wasn't new to me, but his presentation of it was.

The way he writes reminds me of Tommy Tenney.

[Michael The Disciple]

Before Luke wrote:

1: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2: Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Mens traditions tell us all they had was word of mouth. Luke says there were many eyewitnesses, ministers of the word who wrote these things down. I believe Luke.

So yes they had more than Heb. 6 and Eph. 4.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Before Luke wrote:

1: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2: Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;

Mens traditions tell us all they had was word of mouth. Luke says there were many eyewitnesses, ministers of the word who wrote these things down. I believe Luke.

So yes they had more than Heb. 6 and Eph. 4.

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by keith4him

When was Luke and Acts written, about 20-30 years after the church was established.

But who told you that? Were you there? Luke said EYEWITNESSES wrote these things down. He never spoke against it just added to what had been done.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am reading a book from Rob Bell titled Velvet Elvis .

It has shaken me to my core.

So much that I don't even know if I should keep reading or not.

It's all about our elevation of doctrine over our love for God.

I think there can be a danger in this, and have seen it. I heard that Verbal Bean made a statement that Apostolics where in danger of worshiping the doctrine over the God of the doctrine.

I see the opposite happening for many in the Apostolic ranks in our day and time. We seem have more "fluff" messages than ever. For many, if the church didn't shout the house down, they didn't have church.

I do understand there must be balance.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think there can be a danger in this, and have seen it. I heard that Verbal Bean made a statement that Apostolics where in danger of worshiping the doctrine over the God of the doctrine.

I see the opposite happening for many in the Apostolic ranks in our day and time. We seem have more "fluff" messages than ever. For many, if the church didn't shout the house down, they didn't have church.

I do understand there must be balance.

Could you start a list of the things you think should be taught as doctrine?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Could you start a list of the things you think should be taught as doctrine?

Must I?? Surely we all could pick out doctrinal teachings starting at Genesis, and ending in Revelation.

I am not trying to be specific here, though I guess we could. I think we get more feel good sermons, and sermons that speak to our emotions than doctrinal teaching anymore. Of course it is probably just the churches I have been around, cause everyone else has doctrinal and Holy Ghost power reservoirs that are continually overflowing.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think there can be a danger in this, and have seen it. I heard that Verbal Bean made a statement that Apostolics where in danger of worshiping the doctrine over the God of the doctrine.

I see the opposite happening for many in the Apostolic ranks in our day and time. We seem have more "fluff" messages than ever. For many, if the church didn't shout the house down, they didn't have church.

I do understand there must be balance.

Balance is key.

When I read (and I read a lot) I weigh everything I read against the Word of God -- my understanding and knowledge of it -- which I feel holds me in real good stead.

So I read some things and I think........ "Wow, this is good!" Then I read other things and I think ... "This is not what the Word teaches!" and dismiss it immediately.

When you have a good solid foundation of understanding and knowledge of the Word you immediately recognize error when you hear it or read it.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Balance is key.

When I read (and I read a lot) I weigh everything I read against the Word of God -- my understanding and knowledge of it -- which I feel holds me in real good stead.

So I read some things and I think........ "Wow, this is good!" Then I read other things and I think ... "This is not what the Word teaches!" and dismiss it immediately.

When you have a good solid foundation of understanding and knowledge of the Word you immediately recognize error when you hear it or read it.

Oh my!!!!!!!!!


Amen!


I believe a good solid foundational doctrine is what has kept some of us going. I know that if it had not been for the basic doctrine taught to me as a youth, I would not have came back to God after having left. That and all those prayers of my mom and dads.

But if Doctrine is a sure footing, the continual teaching of doctrine would be to me a pathway, or a navigator, for my life in God. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good hoe down here and there. But I want some meat for dinner more often than not.