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10-18-2007, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
Sherri, you are so right here. I can tell you that this is what I have had to do with the ground falling out from under me. I searched the scripture the whole time but chose to see the scriptures through the glasses of my what someone is telling me.
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I too agree with Sherri here. There are so many thinks that are woven together and "fit" to form a whole view. When one doctrine is proven wrong you begin trying to fit everything that's left, and whatever that's new, into a coherent framework.
That's one nice thing about being challenged and accepting the challenge. It can open up doors that you never even knew existed.
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10-18-2007, 04:52 PM
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When you are new...a babe as it were I agree you believe everything you are told because a person has little or no knowledge of the bible...so you think that all these people have been in the church a long time so what they say must be truth...
But if you pray for God to reveal truth to you yourself personally and you mean it after awhile you start to see things are not adding up, all the control, all the rules, all the time feeling like there is no way you will ever catch up or come up to what is expected and you will probably be failing God as well.....
Then at some point if your honest with yourself and allow God to speak to you...you find how wrong a lot of it is....so much built on so little, so much condemnation, so much holding up above others because WE are the only ones that have the truth....just not true folks...just not true....
When I first came into the church I took it all in and made it my life, one day while listening to a preaching tape, very new in the church, as I stood at my kitchen sink and talked with God...I asked Him how do I know what is true, He gave me a scripture....I was so knew I had no clue how to find it, but I let God lead me....
1Corintians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
I have stood on that, and it has done me well...for I know His power is greater than any man or church...and my faith is in HIM....
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10-18-2007, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
Information is good and powerful. The information age is revolutionizing the church. Through the use of forums such as this, one can ask questions and get a variety of opinions.
Before, you basically had one source of opinion and that was your leader or pastor. Your faith was in the hands of one person's opinion.
When one researches a subject thoroughly, sometimes their views may change. Information is a good thing!
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true and sometimes thats a good thing and sometimes that can be a bad thing. Its good to have others to talk to but at the same time you need to be careful who you take advice from, and always compare the advice anyone giives to the word of God
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10-18-2007, 09:15 PM
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The Thing is we all must righly divide the word and then determine based on the scripture if our core beliefs are Biblically based or not.
The scriptures don't contradict themselves so must make all of the scriptures harmonize together.
We must not go to one extreme or the other, but the scriptures must be able to fit together.
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10-18-2007, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sherri
I don't know, Prax. I tend to think that Mich's reaction is a pretty typical one. When your whole doctrinal foundation starts to crumble, you have to go back to Scripture for yourself and search out EVERYTHING to find out what is truth.
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I didn't say anything about her reaction being typical or not. I was speaking of logical conclusions. Also we are not talking about the WHOLE doctrinal foundation crumbling. And I also never said anything about NOT going to scriptures to search things out. You really REALLY misunderstood what I posted
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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10-18-2007, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Michlow
If you bought a dozen eggs, and one of those dozen turned out to be positive for salmonella, would you assume the rest of the eggs were perfectly fine?
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That's comparing apples and oranges. We are talking about truth, not food poisoning.
Infact, in the case of the eggs I would throw them all away....do you no longer believe Jesus is the savior? Do you get rid of ALL Christian doctrines because you found out one was not true? I don't
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-18-2007, 09:20 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by NightOwl
I think when one starts to question one thing at least in my case, it causes you to look at other things too, but I think questioning is a good thing, it causes one to get into the bible and get answers for oneself and not just accept what you are told
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We've got to search and question from the right perspective, not from the potentially biased position that "Everything I believed could very well be wrong"...attitude can cause you to believe the truth is not the truth and as well something that is not true is the truth.
That is why I made my statement that we should be always checking for the truth and NOT just one a OP decides standards are no longer true.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-18-2007, 09:21 PM
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AKA Tricia Lea
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
The Thing is we all must righly divide the word and then determine based on the scripture if our core beliefs are Biblically based or not.
The scriptures don't contradict themselves so must make all of the scriptures harmonize together.
We must not go to one extreme or the other, but the scriptures must be able to fit together.
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true
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10-18-2007, 09:22 PM
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Actually if you find a doctrine in error that should inspire you to study and pray and seek for truth.
Never throw out the baby with the bathwater.
And too one must know their Bible well to be able to discern error.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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10-18-2007, 09:35 PM
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AKA Tricia Lea
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Actually if you find a doctrine in error that should inspire you to study and pray and seek for truth.
Never throw out the baby with the bathwater.
And too one must know their Bible well to be able to discern error.
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true
It says we are to search the scriptures
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
We should know why we believe like we do from the Bible. If we start questioning things, we should go to the scripture to find answers
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