When the inside is right it will show up on the outside!
I am not saying that clothes make you holy. Standards are not holiness.
It's all about boundaries in our life that assist in protecting holiness. And if done correctly, when holiness is inside first then outward standards will project holiness. When done the other way around they are just standards for standards sake.
I agree with the highlighted statement above!
The problem is allowing people to let God help them determine what is modest and moderate dress. If they don't line up to YOUR interpretation, then you don't think they are holy on the inside.
Why is it that when anyone of our people (Ladies especially) hold up "traditional" standards of dress they are automatically deemed as unfashionable?
My good wife wears skirts well below her knees and she is extremely fashionable. She does not look frumpy, weird, old lady or anything!
She looks like a lady who is worshipping her God in the beauty of holiness. Just because she doesn't have a tug-of-war match with her skirt every service does not make her archaic!
And this is not about my wife. I am using her as an example.
And just who determines fashion anyway? Is it a Spirit filled, modesty loving person? I don't think so! So why do we attempt to measure up to them?
I remember a scripture that says We are in the world but not of the world!
Why is there an assault on the holiness loving people that uphold outward standards to protect inward holiness? And why are these assualts coming from those that once were apart of us?
If you want to be charismatic then be charismatic but please stop trying to shove your so called "liberty" down my throat!!!!
There I think my rant is over!
Dear Brother. Take a deep breath. Relax. No one you should not be frustrated. Those that have an opposite view to your view are not being rude they are being honest in what they believe. I feel you are too. We have that right. It is an open forum we can agree or disagree. I am charismatic and so are others on here. We are no more tying to 'shove' our 'liberty' down your throat that you are trying to 'shove' your view of holiness down ours. Look we do not agree that is fine. I do not want to convert you to anything. You may want to convert me back to 'bundage'. Not gonna happen on either front.
Now to address the 'Standards protect inward Holiness' thing. I have heard this down through the years. That is not altogether true. For me I can be just as unholy or holy wearing pants as I can wearing shorts. I know people that are soooooo conservative in dress because it is 'sin' but they are porn addicts. I know people that dress what you would term immodest but the most faithful, spiritual, holy people you could meet. Now get me right I am not saying that there is any realtion to standards and hidden sin. I am not saying that, but I know that some people seem to look like they are full of the HG cause they dress a certain way, but are full of nothing but sin. That is way what Darcie said is so true. You can look right and be empty inside.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
When the inside is right it will show up on the outside!
I am not saying that clothes make you holy. Standards are not holiness.
It's all about boundaries in our life that assist in protecting holiness. And if done correctly, when holiness is inside first then outward standards will project holiness. When done the other way around they are just standards for standards sake.
My good brother, not to split hairs here, but outward standards cannot protect inward holiness. That's a fallacy, and it's been propogated far too long.
Your first statement is absolutely correct. The converse of that statement is absolutely incorrect.
When the inside is right, it shows on the outside. When the outside is "right" it doesn't automatically show up on the inside.
In my opinion, that's been one of the problems with the "holiness" movement thru the years. We get people prayed thru, baptized, and the first thing we do is give them the "standards" speech so they can sing on the platform.
In my experience, in many churches, the matters of the heart are often skimmed over, because our intent is to get people to "look right" so they can sing in the choir.
Inward holiness manifests itself on the outside, as Jesus said, but outward standard do not automatically guarantee inward holiness, nor can outward standards protect inward holiness.
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
My good brother, not to split hairs here, but outward standards cannot protect inward holiness. That's a fallacy, and it's been propogated far too long.
Your first statement is absolutely correct. The converse of that statement is absolutely incorrect.
When the inside is right, it shows on the outside. When the outside is "right" it doesn't automatically show up on the inside.
In my opinion, that's been one of the problems with the "holiness" movement thru the years. We get people prayed thru, baptized, and the first thing we do is give them the "standards" speech so they can sing on the platform.
In my experience, in many churches, the matters of the heart are often skimmed over, because our intent is to get people to "look right" so they can sing in the choir.
Inward holiness manifests itself on the outside, as Jesus said, but outward standard do not automatically guarantee inward holiness, nor can outward standards protect inward holiness.
Very well said! It is truth if I have ever heard truth.
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"If we don't learn to live together we're gonna die alone"
Jack Shephard.
Question here, and I'm sure many will cry foul, or at least claim incompatibility.
But, let's say a young man gets his first automobile. Is it more important to teach him how to change the oil, change the air filter, tune the engine up and put gas in the car regularly, or is it more important to teach him how to wash and wax the car?
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
Why is it that when anyone of our people (Ladies especially) hold up "traditional" standards of dress they are automatically deemed as unfashionable?
My good wife wears skirts well below her knees and she is extremely fashionable. She does not look frumpy, weird, old lady or anything!
She looks like a lady who is worshipping her God in the beauty of holiness. Just because she doesn't have a tug-of-war match with her skirt every service does not make her archaic!
And this is not about my wife. I am using her as an example.
And just who determines fashion anyway? Is it a Spirit filled, modesty loving person? I don't think so! So why do we attempt to measure up to them?
I remember a scripture that says We are in the world but not of the world!
Why is there an assault on the holiness loving people that uphold outward standards to protect inward holiness? And why are these assualts coming from those that once were apart of us?
If you want to be charismatic then be charismatic but please stop trying to shove your so called "liberty" down my throat!!!!
There I think my rant is over!
I think the sentance in your post that I highlighted pretty much says it all. When someone equates old time Pentecostal dress code for "holiness" and "worshipping God", I really don't think there is enough common ground to discuss much.
Why in heavens name does a woman with uncut long hair, no makeup, dress below her knees, etc look like she is worshipping God any more than a woman with cut hair, makeup, and pants on? The answer is that they don't anywhere except in your mind.
I think the sentance in your post that I highlighted pretty much says it all. When someone equates old time Pentecostal dress code for "holiness" and "worshipping God", I really don't think there is enough common ground to discuss much.
Why in heavens name does a woman with uncut long hair, no makeup, dress below her knees, etc look like she is worshipping God any more than a woman with cut hair, makeup, and pants on? The answer is that they don't anywhere except in your mind.
Question here, and I'm sure many will cry foul, or at least claim incompatibility.
But, let's say a young man gets his first automobile. Is it more important to teach him how to change the oil, change the air filter, tune the engine up and put gas in the car regularly, or is it more important to teach him how to wash and wax the car?
Not to add another thing into the mix but it seems to be more important whether the manufacturer had 3 CEO's or just one. But I think yours is an excellent analogy without me screwing it all up.
Actually, it's a pretty good analogy.
To make it fit even better, it would say "Assume there is a club for men (and women) where by joining they are given a new "old" car. This could even be a typical college shop class. Would the FIRST thing involved in restoring it be a new wash and wax? Or would you gut the interior and remove the engine?"
And afterwards, like you already mentioned, would it be more important to do the things you said.
THEN watch the endless debates about how often it needs to be washed and waxed and what soap and wax brand is appropriate and what COLOR the exterior needs to be painted......
This usually starts happening immediately after they "get their man!" and say their vows if you know what I mean. LOL And I have seen it MANY times (in fact a majority) myself.
Hey Now!!!!
__________________ Mrs. LPW
Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Amen CC1!
But I think yours is an excellent analogy without me screwing it all up.
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