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[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What about deeds of the law justifying no one, and the deeds of the law only came to prove man cannot make himself righteous by works?

I notice you don't get into that.

Like I said...

it is a change of heart--having to do the law v wanting to demonstrate faith. It becomes clear when you just answer "How can i tell if someone is truly saved?"

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Of course they lead to that. But salvation is being made righteous, and righteousness is a free gift granted before we do a single good deed. And the death of Jesus "as us" must be believed to have that. You deny anything to do with the absolute need for his death as our righteousness. And you're too proud to see you need to learn this.

i admit that this is the beginning of faith, yes. So do...lots of people. These are the many who cry "Lord, Lord" because, after all, who else can they be?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it is a change of heart--having to do the law v wanting to demonstrate faith. It becomes clear when you just answer "How can i tell if someone is truly saved?"

Whoever is truly saved will bear fruit. But to get saved, to then later bear that fruit, demands the death of Christ "as us" to grant us righteousness without any of our works.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i admit that this is the beginning of faith, yes. So do...lots of people. These are the many who cry "Lord, Lord" because, after all, who else can they be?

I agreed. Hello?