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[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that.
yup--and if you accept the public declaration and baptism, then wait to die and go to heaven model that many churches still adhere to, you might examine your notions of acceptance and rejection v God's.

Exactly!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by shazeep

amen to that.
yup--and if you accept the public declaration and baptism, then wait to die and go to heaven model that many churches still adhere to, you might examine your notions of acceptance and rejection v God's.

I accept the I'm wretched, naked, undone without Christ. I am a slave to sin and rightfully deserve to bears God's wrath because of my willful wickedness and rebellion for many years BUT God so loved as to take upon Himself a Hunan nature walk amongst us and reveal Himself to us in love, compassion, and mercy, He then willingly in the person of Christ bore my sins, and in His death bore the wrath of God and satisfied God's justice so that He can abundantly pardon and save to the uttermost those who repent of their sins and place their full trust and reliance in Him model.

It has little to nothing to do with a public declaration but is a matter of believing in the heart, being justified, adopted, and regenerated by the Spirit of God Himself and the beginning of a life long journey of sanctification as God conforms one to the image of His Son Jesus Christ, eventually culminating in death and glorification forever to dwell in God's Kingdom wherein dwelleth righteousness.

As for baptism, every believer should be baptized as a matter of obedience and following Christ, but for anyone to stake their salvation solely on the fact they were baptized in a church is incredibly uniformed and dangerous.

Whether someone believes this or not doesn't matter as far as it being true. Truth is fixed, we can't change it. And that absolute and fixed truth us revealed in the Bible, the Word of God.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by shazeep

nice, VS
yup. toss the bathwater, i say, and just keep the baby. let the dead bury the dead. If you are in an affiliated church, an examination of your most basic premises is in order, imo. Christ rose, and lives; find and follow that.
http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?tit...oldid=13622804

The article is very well presented! I have argued subjects like this many times, but to no avail with many Christians. We have a very hard time seeing beyond Western (Culture) Christianity.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I accept the I'm wretched, naked, undone without Christ. I am a slave to sin and rightfully deserve to bears God's wrath because of my willful wickedness and rebellion for many years BUT God so loved as to take upon Himself a Hunan nature walk amongst us and reveal Himself to us in love, compassion, and mercy, He then willingly in the person of Christ bore my sins, and in His death bore the wrath of God and satisfied God's justice so that He can abundantly pardon and save to the uttermost those who repent of their sins and place their full trust and reliance in Him model.

It has little to nothing to do with a public declaration but is a matter of believing in the heart, being justified, adopted, and regenerated by the Spirit of God Himself and the beginning of a life long journey of sanctification as God conforms one to the image of His Son Jesus Christ, eventually culminating in death and glorification forever to dwell in God's Kingdom wherein dwelleth righteousness.

As for baptism, every believer should be baptized as a matter of obedience and following Christ, but for anyone to stake their salvation solely on the fact they were baptized in a church is incredibly uniformed and dangerous.

Whether someone believes this or not doesn't matter as far as it being true. Truth is fixed, we can't change it. And that absolute and fixed truth us revealed in the Bible, the Word of God.

This is the slippery slope to a "Works Based" Religion.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The bold paragraph completely contradicts itself. You give mercy to your own, but not others. Fault, or Flaw, is something that all Human Beings deal with, and that includes Fault in understanding, relationship, and faith.

IMO, this is the number 1 problem with Religion. As long as you follow our basic rules, you're in the Group, regardless of your imperfections. This is nothing but an endless Witch Hunt.

Since I'm posting on a cell using the forum runner app I cannot tell which paragraph you bolded, but I can certainly say your conclusion is incorrect (and perhaps my lack of articulation aided your conclusion). I most certainly God gives grace to all and remembers our frame, that we are just dust. So I try to do the same, there is no sin that God can't deliver from. No bondage, no doctrinal or intellectual error or pride. But God does warn us (I think this is the part you don't like) that if we reject His way of salvation (through Christ) then we will bear His wrath for our sinfulness. Its not that God isn't gracious or only loves me (surely my posts aren't that muddled are they?) But the grace of God which brings salvation appears to all men, though we can choose to accept or reject it.

I believe this. I spent my evening last night preaching at the county jail because I believe God will save anyone. That I'm as unclean in my sins as those convicted felons, and God can just as easily save them as He saved me. He's hasn't turned away from them, nor are their deeds such that He won't reach out to them as He reached out to the leper in Mark 1.

I can't limit God's grace nor do I intend to.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Since I'm posting on a cell using the forum runner app I cannot tell which paragraph you bolded, but I can certainly say your conclusion is incorrect (and perhaps my lack of articulation aided your conclusion). I most certainly God gives grace to all and remembers our frame, that we are just dust. So I try to do the same, there is no sin that God can't deliver from. No bondage, no doctrinal or intellectual error or pride. But God does warn us (I think this is the part you don't like) that if we reject His way of salvation (through Christ) then we will bear His wrath for our sinfulness. Its not that God isn't gracious or only loves me (surely my posts aren't that muddled are they?) But the grace of God which brings salvation appears to all men, though we can choose to accept or reject it.

I believe this. I spent my evening last night preaching at the county jail because I believe God will save anyone. That I'm as unclean in my sins as those convicted felons, and God can just as easily save them as He saved me. He's hasn't turned away from them, nor are their deeds such that He won't reach out to them as He reached out to the leper in Mark 1.

I can't limit God's grace nor do I intend to.

Jason, the main problem with your Theology: "Reject His way of Salvation". Your interpretation of Salvation is miles apart from most in Christianity. This isolates your Theory to a select few, while the rest of Humanity is lost because they don't agree with you.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

This is the slippery slope to a "Works Based" Religion.

Not at all. The work is done by Jesus Christ. His righteousness is accounted to me by faith. What can I do to add to Christ's righteousness? Nothing. Even if I were capable of living sinlessly the rest if my life I couldn't add to His righteousness. So I rest in His grace and mercy and in God's tremendous forgiveness. I desire and attempt to live a godly life but not so that I can or will be saved, but because He already saved me, He took away my sins, He placed His Spirit within me and so when I live my life to glorify Him I do so out if gratitude not fear of hell or punishment. When I sin I'm heart broken, not because I'm worried I will go to hell but because I hate sin and I have dishonored God. So I seek Him in repentance confessing my sin and leaning on His strength rather than my own.

Unlike many here I post with my real name. My Facebook profile is open. Anyone that wants to know something about me can. I love life. I love the freedom I have in Christ. I know what it is to live in sin and unbelief because I wasn't raised in any church. Just because there are errant expressions of Christianity doesn't mean there isn't a true. I think many of us have been the victims in some sense of bad doctrine which breeds either fear, uncertainty, legalism or all of the above....but that's not biblical Christianity.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Jason, the main problem with your Theology: "Reject His way of Salvation". Your interpretation of Salvation is miles apart from most in Christianity. This isolates your Theory to a select few, while the rest of Humanity is lost because they don't agree with you.

NFS, to clarify In saying God's way of salvation is exclusively through Jesus Christ. That is in agreement with the majority of all Bible based Christian movements/denominations throughout church history.

If your reading into my post way/plan=3steps of salvation do often proposed on this board, you are misreading me.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Not at all. The work is done by Jesus Christ. His righteousness is accounted to me by faith. What can I do to add to Christ's righteousness? Nothing. Even if I were capable of living sinlessly the rest if my life I couldn't add to His righteousness. So I rest in His grace and mercy and in God's tremendous forgiveness. I desire and attempt to live a godly life but not so that I can or will be saved, but because He already saved me, He took away my sins, He placed His Spirit within me and so when I live my life to glorify Him I do so out if gratitude not fear of hell or punishment. When I sin I'm heart broken, not because I'm worried I will go to hell but because I hate sin and I have dishonored God. So I seek Him in repentance confessing my sin and leaning on His strength rather than my own.

Unlike many here I post with my real name. My Facebook profile is open. Anyone that wants to know something about me can. I love life. I love the freedom I have in Christ. I know what it is to live in sin and unbelief because I wasn't raised in any church. Just because there are errant expressions of Christianity doesn't mean there isn't a true. I think many of us have been the victims in some sense of bad doctrine which breeds either fear, uncertainty, legalism or all of the above....but that's not biblical Christianity.

My question to you would be this: how much sin can a person be involved in and still be "Saved"? I know for a fact, you can't truly answer this question, but the point is, does God reject His Children after they are his Children, or His Creation after He created them?

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[shazeep]

ya we can easily fall into a "saved or lost; black or white" scenario that i don't think Scripture supports.