Missing Wisconsin Democrats

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Light

yes it is the same thing. Republicans are using a play on words, using Fox talking points to spin things. No matter how they try to spin it, wages, health benefits, and retirement pensions are all part of the employment package.

Why is it always, "Fox" this and "Fox" that? Don't you think conservatives can think for themselves?
FDR thought public service employees shouldn't be able to collective bargin without Fox even on the scene.

FDR:

“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress.”

If you think his position isn’t clear from that quote, consider this one:

“Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable.”

All that without Fox...imagine.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

Why is it always, "Fox" this and "Fox" that? Don't you think conservatives can think for themselves?
FDR thought public service employees shouldn't be able to collective bargin without Fox even on the scene.

FDR:



All that without Fox...imagine.

But sandie, we are not talking about whether public unions should exist or not. The governor in WI is not even trying to eliminate public unions. In fact, unless I'm mistaken the only public union he is targeting is the teachers union. So no matter how good it sounds for your position, let's not turn this issue into something it is not.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

But sandie, we are not talking about whether public unions should exist or not. The governor in WI is not even trying to eliminate public unions. In fact, unless I'm mistaken the only public union he is targeting is the teachers union. So no matter how good it sounds for your position, let's not turn this issue into something it is not.

I was just making the point that "Fox" isn't the be all, end all source of information for conservatives.
Fox is used as an insult by some towards conservatives and I just wanted to point out that even the idea of public unions was frowned upon by democrats long before Fox News.
Having said that, FDR did take it a step further than even this governor.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

The only information I have is within the link I posted on the alst page.

Here's more:




I don't know if that answers your question in the manner you're looking for?

Thanks, but it wasn't really what I was looking for. I don't see how the unions or union leaders are gaining anything from using WEA Trust insurance other than insurance. I hear it being said that they are but I don't see how.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by sandie

I was just making the point that "Fox" isn't the be all, end all source of information for conservatives.
Fox is used as an insult by some towards conservatives and I just wanted to point out that even the idea of public unions was frowned upon by democrats long before Fox News.
Having said that, FDR did take it a step further than even this governor.

Where did you first see the quote by FDR?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Light

I didn't say it was wages or that they could take it as wages. I said in leu of wages. When the union first started to bargain they elected to have pensions and healthcare instead of higher wages.

Wrong again bud light. They wanted increase in wages and non wage benefits. The state wanted to increase employee participation in non wage benies.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Where did you first see the quote by FDR?

It wasn't Fox News.
I was just doing some research and came across several websites that had discussed FDR's views.

Here's the link from the quote I pasted:

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/b...blic-employees

[sandie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Thanks, but it wasn't really what I was looking for. I don't see how the unions or union leaders are gaining anything from using WEA Trust insurance other than insurance. I hear it being said that they are but I don't see how.

Isn't somebody making a profit?

[aegsm76]

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/...king-to-retire

With the future of the state budget uncertain, 140 teachers and 15 administrators asked to join the emeritus program. That works out to about 1 out of every 12 teachers in the district.

The emeritus program gives one full year's salary paid over three years. That is in addition to pension benefits. In return, the retiree provides 10 days of service to the district each year during that time. The emeritus program is something that has been negotiated into the teachers' contract through collective bargaining.

Just WOW!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/...king-to-retire

With the future of the state budget uncertain, 140 teachers and 15 administrators asked to join the emeritus program. That works out to about 1 out of every 12 teachers in the district.

The emeritus program gives one full year's salary paid over three years. That is in addition to pension benefits. In return, the retiree provides 10 days of service to the district each year during that time. The emeritus program is something that has been negotiated into the teachers' contract through collective bargaining.

Just WOW!

So, for 10 days work per year the person receives 1/3 of a year's salary plus pension benefits?