A Wrecked Church! - Page 33

ILG · #**321** 07-16-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StillStanding

Of course, this is easier said than done! This is like a divorce. Everyone will have to go thru the cycle of shock, hurt and anger before they finally reach acceptance.

Yes, it is like a divorce.

Margies3 · #**322** 07-16-2012, 09:34 PM

All I can say is that I would NEVER want to be in that woman's shoes when it was time to stand before God, unless she comes to her senses and repents of what she's done. You cannot do this kind of damage to the church of God and not have to answer for it.

As far as the elderly people go - the one thought I keep having is that this is good practice for the day when God calls them to their eternal reward. There they will be fellow-shipping with a whole new group of people - just like they are in whatever new church they decide to become a part of here

I know that's not much consolation. But maybe it's a little??

Steve Epley · #**323** 07-16-2012, 09:46 PM

Will not go into any details but I know a church that failed the majority of the saints were forced to go to another church with a good pastor. The church welcomed them with open arms. The Pastor told me a couple of years after the saints had been there "these are wonderful people they really try and we love them but in truth this will never feel like home to them. I can see their children really blending in perfectly but the bulk of these older saints really seem more like visitors in their minds than members." That has been years ago the saints have remained and been faithful however it's not home. I feel for the older saints of this assembly.

Cindy · #**324** 07-17-2012, 04:45 AM

This whole situation breaks my heart.

StillStanding · #**325** 07-17-2012, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Will not go into any details but I know a church that failed the majority of the saints were forced to go to another church with a good pastor. The church welcomed them with open arms. The Pastor told me a couple of years after the saints had been there "these are wonderful people they really try and we love them but in truth this will never feel like home to them. I can see their children really blending in perfectly but the bulk of these older saints really seem more like visitors in their minds than members." That has been years ago the saints have remained and been faithful however it's not home. I feel for the older saints of this assembly.

I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts about the older saints. Two of them visited a different church on Sunday morning for the first time in 50 years, and we're very uncomfortable. Although they enjoyed the message, the music was too contemporary and the preacher didn't wear a suit and tie! Each church develops their own culture, so church will never be the same. They'll probably check out another church. *smile*

HeavenBound · #**326** 07-17-2012, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by StillStanding

I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts about the older saints. Two of them visited a different church on Sunday morning for the first time in 50 years, and we're very uncomfortable. Although they enjoyed the message, the music was too contemporary and the preacher didn't wear a suit and tie! Each church develops their own culture, so church will never be the same. They'll probably check out another church. *smile*

I went to Church Sunday even though I was mailed a certified letter that I was no longer a member. Nobody said anything to me about it. I attended Sunday School and my teacher, a wonderful Godly man, was so close to tears that it hurt myself and my husband to witness. This is hurting everyone who loves this Church. This is Home to so many that now have to try to find a new Church to call home. They have attended since they were young newlyweds, raised there children in this Church and now their children's children are there. This is even splitting families up. I know of 1 couple the wife is against and the husband is for the Pastor that lost the election but won't step down.
Now Church service was different Bro. JK preached what was a campaign for Bro. F., also during all of this Bishop D. C. from out of statei has been advising Bro. F. and Sister K (the deceased Pastor's daughter) on how to do things. He also gave the congregation their orders, we could not talk to each other about any of this, we couldn't have visitors from other church's and various other rules. All approved by Bro. F and Sister K. and our Trustee Board that was never voted in by the members of the Church. I didn't know whether to stand up and say Hail Hitler! or what June 3rd when this atrocity happened, I felt like we were being treated like they owned us , and this man was nobody we recognized as being in charge. That we were allowed by their sufferance to be at the Church. It is morally and legally a shame what has been done to the people of this Church.

StillStanding · #**327** 07-17-2012, 07:02 AM

I'm sitting here ( not standing! Ha!) in awe that the leadership of this church was possibly advised by a neighboring pastor to take the actions they did! Heaven help us all!

From my view, it comes down to this:

1. The majority of members of this church were familiar with the local preacher and for one reason or another were not comfortable with him serving as pastor.

2. They prefer a pastor that is free from controversial rumors.

3. They prefer a pastor who they can totally respect and trust.

4. They have chosen to walk instead of being force-fed.

ILG · #**328** 07-17-2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenBound

Bishop D. C. from out of statei has been advising Bro. F. and Sister K (the deceased Pastor's daughter) on how to do things. He also gave the congregation their orders, we could not talk to each other about any of this, we couldn't have visitors from other church's and various other rules. All approved by Bro. F and Sister K. and our Trustee Board that was never voted in by the members of the Church. I didn't know whether to stand up and say Hail Hitler! or what June 3rd when this atrocity happened, I felt like we were being treated like they owned us , and this man was nobody we recognized as being in charge. That we were allowed by their sufferance to be at the Church. It is morally and legally a shame what has been done to the people of this Church.

There you have it. Who is this bishop and why does he think he has the right to do this? I thought this was an independent church? When they start giving rules about not being allowed to talk to each other, yes, Hail Hitler are the right words to use, I'd say.

AreYouReady? · #**329** 07-17-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenBound

He also gave the congregation their orders, we could not talk to each other about any of this, we couldn't have visitors from other church's and various other rules.

Classic signs of abuse. The forbidding of verbal exchange. The hiding of what is happening in order to complete the dirty work behind the scenes.

Esaias · #**330** 07-17-2012, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

:... but in truth this will never feel like home to them. I can see their children really blending in perfectly but the bulk of these older saints really seem more like visitors in their minds than members."

How can people with the Holy Ghost not feel 'at home' with others who have the Holy Ghost... barring any weirdness going on or something?

EVERYPLACE I have been to that was full of Holy Ghost people, I have felt 'at home'.

That doesn't mean I agree with everything family members do, but still, family is family.

Right?

I don't get this being so attached to a particular congregation that one cannot 'feel at home' with another, assuming the Spirit is the same?

Maybe it's my lack of traditional upbringing or something.