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Sean · #**321** 10-19-2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

He is ruling NOW. And will rule forevermore. The thousand years represents NOW. 1000 in the bible does not always mean one number after 999. Cattle on a thousand hills.

Sean, read this, since it explains all these basic things. I already told you these things, but you obviously did not read enough to catch it.

Read this: http://mikeblume.com/partpret1.htm

So, do you deny that Jesus will PHYSICALLY REIGN over the heathen and their governments during the life of mankind?

Maybe just INVISIBLY reigning and letting thing happen as we have seen up until now?

Sean · #**322** 10-19-2015, 01:22 PM

Mike, are you called a "Kingdom Eschatologist"?

Is that a new form of preterism you adhere to?

Sean · #**323** 10-19-2015, 01:25 PM

Mike, we do have some common beliefs in eschatology I see.

Lets' bicker about the differences we have, okay?

mfblume · #**324** 10-19-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

So, do you deny that Jesus will PHYSICALLY REIGN over the heathen and their governments during the life of mankind?

Maybe just INVISIBLY reigning and letting thing happen as we have seen up until now?

I am saying what Jesus said. lol. No one SHALL say "Lo, the kingdom is there, or lo it is here." It comes not with observation. That means it is not physical.

THE PRESENT KINGDOM will increase and when death is finally destroyed and the resurrection occurs at the FUTURE second coming, THEN all enemies will be beneath his feet.

This proves it is a spiritual kingdom. Why wait til DEATH is under his feet before all enemies are under His feet, if the enemies are talking about natural kingdoms? Death is not a power of any natural kingdom of this world.

All natural kingdoms will be GONE once Jesus comes. But DEATH is when all enemies are under his feet. And that occurs at the second coming. That means there is no millennium afterward because DEATH still occurs after the millennium starts. A sinner shall DIE in millennium. And DEATH is GONE when Jesus comes, so nobody CAN DIE AFTER THE SECOND COMING. That means the millennium cannot occur AFTER the second coming.

mfblume · #**325** 10-19-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Mike, are you called a "Kingdom Eschatologist"?

Is that a new form of preterism you adhere to?

Kingdom eschatology is just a BETTER TITLE to call it rather than partial preterism.

Sean · #**326** 10-19-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I am saying what Jesus said. lol. No one SHALL say "Lo, the kingdom is there, or lo it is here." It comes not with observation. That means it is not physical.

THE PRESENT KINGDOM will increase and when death is finally destroyed and the resurrection occurs at the FUTURE second coming, THEN all enemies will be beneath his feet.

This proves it is a spiritual kingdom. Why wait til DEATH is under his feet before all enemies are under His feet, if the enemies are talking about natural kingdoms? Death is not a power of any natural kingdom of this world.

All natural kingdoms will be GONE once Jesus comes. But DEATH is when all enemies are under his feet. And that occurs at the second coming. That means there is no millennium afterward because DEATH still occurs after the millennium starts. A sinner shall DIE in millennium. And DEATH is GONE when Jesus comes, so nobody CAN DIE AFTER THE SECOND COMING. That means the millennium cannot occur AFTER the second coming.

It is indeed a spiritual kingdom, but it will become both spiritual AND physical, simultaneously, when Jesus returns at His 2nd coming and reigns over the earth in the Millennial reign...

Then my friend, the Gifts of the Spirit will be unnecessary as in 1 Cor. 13(because of the mix)

mfblume · #**327** 10-19-2015, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

It is indeed a spiritual kingdom, but it will become both spiritual AND physical, simultaneously, when Jesus returns at His 2nd coming and reigns over the earth in the Millennial reign...

Then my friend, the Gifts of the Spirit will be unnecessary as in 1 Cor. 13(because of the mix)

Here I go repeating my point you failed to address. It cannot be physical because Jesus said no one SHALL in the future say it is here or there because it comes not with observation. Why do you not address my points? I have to repeat everything I already said to you. Like the second coming. lol

Sean · #**328** 10-19-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Here I go repeating my point you failed to address. It cannot be physical because Jesus said no one SHALL in the future say it is here or there because it comes not with observation. Why do you not address my points? I have to repeat everything I already said to you. Like the second coming. lol

I am repeating MYSELF....LOL

I keep telling you it is now invisible, but will be, one day, visible.

It is still the same kingdom though.

Sean · #**329** 10-19-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

NO NO NO . Jesus said NO ONE SHALL SAY look here. That means it will never be visible in the future. Why can't you get my point?

Al I can say is WOW. Un-totally-believable.

Do you know what SHALL means? No, you don't.

Can't talk to you. You cannot read.

I read the posts of a scripture twisting, preterist when I read your posts Mike.

There will indeed be a visible kingdom, which you hate the very thought of and stand to make your goal to emphasize.

Sean · #**330** 10-19-2015, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I am repeating MYSELF....LOL

I keep telling you it is now invisible, but will be, one day, visible.

It is still the same kingdom though.

Mike..."Aaargh, NO NO NO Sean."!....LOL