Apostoic worship??

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

None.

Thou shalt not lie.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is that same understanding?

The same you and I discussed on Paltalk in about 2001. The one you said we agreed on. Mine is still the same.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

11] And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
[12] And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
[13] And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Sometimes, I fear that we’ going for the earthquake, the wind and the �� fire, and we are missing the still small voice.

Oooh preach

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

11] And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake:
[12] And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.
[13] And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Sometimes, I fear that we’ going for the earthquake, the wind and the �� fire, and we are missing the still small voice.

Or pride prevents us from being expressive

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The same you and I discussed on Paltalk in about 2001. The one you said we agreed on. Mine is still the same.

But even with that on closer scrutiny we were different on those subjects 17 yeas ago. Wow we are getting older, I also want to say again I am sorry for any ill treatment I had given you since that time in any argument. Even if we don't agree "I' don't have to be disagreeable.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But even with that on closer scrutiny we were different on those subjects 17 yeas ago. Wow we are getting older, I also want to say again I am sorry for any ill treatment I had given you since that time in any argument. Even if we don't agree "I' don't have to be disagreeable.

Good enuff

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Or pride prevents us from being expressive

With the Pharisee and the Publican, the expressive one had the pride issue....just sayin....

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

With the Pharisee and the Publican, the expressive one had the pride issue....just sayin....

I have never heard worship leaders asking people to sit down and be pious, just saying.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Esaias was seemingly making a point that if a group teaches heretical doctrine their worship cannot be of God.

I responded if that be the case how many Apostolic Churches could he really worship with since according to his criteria they may be hard to find. I suspect that he may sing songs written by people HE considers as heretics.

You misunderstand what I am saying. You continue to equate worship with music or songs. My entire point has been:

1. Worship is not limited to music, or how we "feel" in response to music.

2. Worship is judged, by Jesus Christ, according to DOCTRINE, and not according to how we "feel".

I never said a heretic couldn't write a good song. Nor did I say a heretic couldn't write a good song that could be used by God's church as part of its worship. All things are ours, according to the apostle. Therefore, the church can make use of whatever is available, assuming the thing made use of is not in itself heretical, false, or evil, and assuming it would not be inexpedient or a stumbling block to others.

What I take issue with is the idea that heretics have a corner on the worship market. One can only think that if they have a grossly unbiblical view of what actual worship is.

So, just to be clear, to avoid any possibility of misunderstanding, here it is again:

The Bible does not describe worship as a euphoria brought about by The Most Awesomest Music Ever™. The apostles never taught that we must strive to create the Most Awesomest Worship Experiences through the use of Super Awesome Music. The Bible does not define worship in terms of how we feel, it does not grade or measure worship by musical terms or qualities, nor by merely emotional states and feelings, nor does it suggest that worship = music to begin with.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

With the Pharisee and the Publican, the expressive one had the pride issue....just sayin....

This doesn't make any sense. The Pharisee prayed a standard Jewish prayer ("I thank You that You have not made me a gentile, idolater, a woman, or a publican" etc), whereas the publican prayed for mercy and forgiveness. The publican was justified (forgiven) whereas the Pharisee was not. Why? Because the Pharisees were blind hypocrites who justified themselves. The rejection of the Pharisee and the acceptance of the publican had nothing whatsoever to do with either's "expressiveness in worship" or lack thereof.