Speaking In Tongues Does Not Equal Salvation.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

BORAT

Right! LOL! The visible sign is a head of floppy, curly black hair. We are having unprecedented growth in the male membership. A first in Christianity!

[faithit166]

amen, god knows

[shag]

Originally Posted by faithit166

amen, god knows

... the heart





So MANY people have fruits of humility and love, evident in their prayerful lives, and evident that God is leading them in a personal spirit led walk, and yet they go on to die, never have spoken in tongues. While there are also, many that pridefully sing songs of their truth and salvation, and grow no further that Acts 2:38 and "hear O Israel".

[faithit166]

thats right shag only he knows the heart

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by faithit166

i was just wondering if you had ever experienced speaking in tongues,or are you just speaking things you know not

Have you ever experienced receiving the Holy Ghost at repentance without speaking in tongues or do you just speak about things you know not?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Prophecy is it's own gift.

There is the gift of tongues.
The gift of interpretation of tongues.
Then there is, separate from those, the gift of prophecy.

yes,
I was trying to say that tongues plus interpretation is equal in importance to prophecy
that's why I used the analogy of two nickels being equal to a dime

[Sam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Have you ever experienced receiving the Holy Ghost at repentance without speaking in tongues or do you just speak about things you know not?

The people to whom the Epistle of Ephesians was written are called "saints" in Eph 1:1.
And Paul identifies with them as being fellow believers by using the term "us" several times as in saying that God has chosen us in Him... and saying that God predestined us... Eph 1:4-5)
Then Ephesians 1:13 says that the Holy Spirit had indwelt them from the time they believed:
And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

But later in chapter 5 verse 18 he encourages them to be filled with the Spirit. Others have stated that the words mean to be ongoingly filled with the Spirit, or be being filled with the Spirit, or keep getting filled with the Spirit.

There is a difference between the Spirit coming in to dwell at the birth of the Spirit and subsequent experiences of being filled with the Spirit or the Spirit coming upon or the Spirit falling upon or receiving (making room for) the Holy Spirit.

In the first century church over 500 believers saw Jesus after His resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:6). Later, as He ascended, Jesus told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they were empowered by the Holy Spirit. He called this empowering a baptism in the Spirit and also called the experience the Holy Spirit coming upon you (Acts 1:4-8). Ten days when the Spirit came upon them or when they were baptized in the Spirit on Pentecost Sunday, the experience is also called being filled with the Spirit in Acts 2:4. When Peter described the experience he called it the Spirit being poured out, being shed forth, and called it the promise of the Father (Acts 2:17, 33, 39).

For many years, Apostolics, Pentecostals, Charismatics, and other Christians have seen the birth of the Spirit, or salvation by the Spirit, or Jesus coming into the heart as the Holy Spirit to be a separate experience from being filled with the Spirit, or receiving (making room for) the Holy Spirit, or being baptized in the Spirit, or being empowered by the Spirit, or the Holy Spirit coming upon or falling on an individual.

[Brett Prince]

DAII, Diggin, and Sam:

Just please answer this question:

What does Oneness Pentecostalism have to offer Christendom in terms of doctrine or experience, in your view, that is of any value--other than a more enlightened view of the Godhead, and a more biblical formula for baptism?

(I did not say that your view held any of these as salvational--I am simply under the impression that you do believe in the Oneness of God and that the name of Jesus is the proper name to be used in baptism.)

Please explain.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

DAII, Diggin, and Sam:

Just please answer this question:

What does Oneness Pentecostalism have to offer Christendom in terms of doctrine or experience, in your view, that is of any value--other than a more enlightened view of the Godhead, and a more biblical formula for baptism?

(I did not say that your view held any of these as salvational--I am simply under the impression that you do believe in the Oneness of God and that the name of Jesus is the proper name to be used in baptism.)

Please explain.

You didn't address me, but I'll answer.

Let me start with the bad first, then I'll mention whats good.
Bad
1)The initial evidence doctrine does violence to the biblical model of slavation.

2)oneness pentecostalism is filled with legalistic tendencies, and outright phraiseeical legalism. This produce weak christians,not strong ones.

3)because of 1 &2 there is a tendency to "worship" God in a carnal, if not heathen manner, in which self control is all but absent.

Good
In short, take those things away and oneness pentecostal is IMO the closest form of modern Christianity to primitive Christianty.

Oneness pentecostalism encourages personal prayer life, Bible study, sacrifice, holiness of life and character above seemingly all of the other denominations of Christianity.

However, the initial evidence doctrine, the legalism, and the uncontrollable shockamoo/worship will cripple the movement in its current existence.

**please note I am not against involved worship, but I'm against such things as have been noted on here called worship-research "worship injuries" thread.

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Have you ever experienced receiving the Holy Ghost at repentance without speaking in tongues or do you just speak about things you know not?

when god lead me to a pentecostal alter and i repented from the bottom of my feet to the top of my head was like a rushing mighty wind going thru me my tears were gone my sadness and my pain i had never felt this before i felt like i was on cloud nine i was filled with the holy ghost that same night tho i got baptized in jesus name when i came up out of the water i started praising god and then began speaking in another language beings i new nothing about all this i had to ask later what it all was,now that i have answered you wont you so kindly answer me?