You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[JN Anderson]

FP's TKB and DDB have been proven to be unwilling to answer direct questions about their belief in Full Preterism. Jason demonstrated this on another thread with DDB and I have done so on this thread. I think the issue is clear and there are a couple guys that have river front property on the Denial River.

Good night to those who still look for His return, just as the Scripture tell us!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Citing a source actually supports one's argument TKB. I apologize that you do not agree with corroboration. I could quote, at length, other scholars as well. I simply liked theirs though. Ever get a hernia straining so hard?

Bro. Anderson, I prefer supporting my arguments with what Jesus and His apostles taught. This is the problem we had in the debate as well. I wanted to talk about what the apostles taught and you wanted to quote your "scholars."

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

You are one drama queen.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Stop posting in here trying to keep your manhood, give it up.

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

I am not insecure in my manhood in the least. I am insecure about the notion of you being a free citizen. The world may be better off if you get a higher dosage. I noticed your beautiful smile. Since you're all smiles, do you ever have to dig any bugs out of that big mouth of yours?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Well, you do a good job fakin it.
I know you are insecure about many things. What preacher in their right mind would boast about being a boxer? You sound like the type of individual who stands in front of a full length mirror and flexes what little he has.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You are no scholar, just the run of the mill plagiarist.

gentleman, you are supposed to be "preachers" and brothers before that. Are you going to go to blows if yall cross paths at a conference?

This is about doctrine, not personal insults. Any outsider who comes across this forum in a google search (how I found the forum) is not likely to be drawn to Christ with all this senseless bickering. Debate the doctrine, not personal dislikes.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

FP's TKB and DDB have been proven to be unwilling to answer direct questions about their belief in Full Preterism.

Brother Anderson that is big talk coming from a man who quit the debate.

"Praxeas, as far as I am concerned TKB cannot or will not answer the questions. I feel no need or motivation to continue in this debate. I am willing and able to answer any questions regarding any element of Futurism or Full Preterism that TKB could ask. I, however, feel this is a matter of principle and honestly would rather lurk or reply to other threads."

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Jason demonstrated this on another thread with DDB and I have done so on this thread. I think the issue is clear and there are a couple guys that have river front property on the Denial River.

You are in delusion and refuse to deal with the fact that you never wanted to debate. Jason needs to affirm what I asked him to do for weeks, and that is to deal with Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 wether they are past or future. You needed to deal with the threat you made in Just Preachers with the Jesus of Apostolic Fulfilled Eschatology. You refused to finish waving your RED HERRING. You claim that Brother Burk presented new issues, but you wanted to talk about communion? How extremely pathetic.

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Good night to those who still look for His return, just as the Scripture tell us!

Too bad YOU can't prove it.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason

gentleman, you are supposed to be "preachers" and brothers before that. Are you going to go to blows if yall cross paths at a conference?

Excuse me Brother Jason, but I don't have in my stats that I like to BOX.

Did you happen to miss where Brother James Anderson had under his avatar that he "liked to argue." Brother Jason, you yourself stated that our doctrine was of the devil and you made a thread dedicated to that thought.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=23081

We are discussing religion, and when you discuss religion people want to kill something. Since they can't come to my house and kill my children before my eyes and then put my eyes out, they try to discredit what I believe, but not by scripture. They do it by their much speaking.

Originally Posted by Jason

This is about doctrine, not personal insults. Any outsider who comes across this forum in a google search (how I found the forum) is not likely to be drawn to Christ with all this senseless bickering. Debate the doctrine, not personal dislikes.

Brother, if you were to look at all the religious forums and their contents you will find that they are swinging on each other, and it gets hot and heavy.
What you see on a forum is not what you see in person. I hardly believe that Brother James Anderson is that raw in person.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Citing a source actually supports one's argument TKB. I apologize that you do not agree with corroboration. I could quote, at length, other scholars as well. I simply liked theirs though. Ever get a hernia straining so hard?

We just thought it was funny that you were accusing us on Just Preachers for not believing in the Jesus of the Apostolic Faith and then using individuals who believe our whole movement is heresy. Brother Anderson you accused and then refused. Just restart the debate with Elder Burk and prove your arguments.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Hey EB! When did Jesus return? I know you have a reasonable explanation and that I need to go over a bunch of material to truly understand the FP position; but can you give it to me in a nutshell?

When was the Second Coming? Matthew 24 - ..."And then shall the Son of Man appear..." and so forth. When did He appear and raise the dead?

Jacob became Israel, Israel had sons these sons had children, these children became tribes these tribes made God mad.

These tribes wanted a king, and didn't want God, the first king was a hypocrite, and would repent, and mess up, repent, and mess up.

The next king God loved, because he would mess up, and repent also, but because he loved God, God loved him. The first king just loved being a king.

The second king had a son who would build a temple, and this temple would be the throne room of God, and all of Israel was supposed to pray at this temple. A stiff warning was given in 1st Kings 9:6-9, and that warning was if they stopped loving God, He would remove His temple and they would become an object lesson for all generations.

The third king dies, and two kings arose in his place, one goes south and the other goes north. The northen kingdom goes into idolatry, and the southern kingdom becomes cruel.

The northern kingdom disappears and gets mingled with Gentiles, and the southern kingdom later gets God angry and is sent and preserved in Babylon.
The king of Babylon is used as a tool of God to punish this cruel souuthern kingdom, and the prophet to this southern kingdom is told that for 70 years they would be in captivity.

After the 70 years is up another pagan king releases the Jews and helps them to rebuild their temple and city.

This southern kingdom was foretold that it would be under occupation of tthe Babylonians, Media Persia, Greeks, Romans, and then they would politically mingle themselves with the Romans. The Romans would hate them, and they would hate the Romans.

Their Christ would come born as the prophets foretold, and 30 years later He would come and teach and preach and warn the Jewish people of an impending danger, all those Jews had to repent and be baptized calling on tthe name of the Lord. Jesus had a forrunner who was a baptizer, and he also warned of a coming danger and that the kingdom of God was coming to manifest itself. Those religious who sought to be baptized were refused, and witth that refusal these words were spoken, "Who hath warned you to flee the wrath to come?"

Obviously there was a wrath, and that wrath was closing in on that Jewish world. Their true coming King was there and ready to right all wrongs, and He would be rejected by the high priest and the rest of the rulers, and they the potter's clay would use the iron to crucify their King.

After the death burial and resurrection of their King, He promises to return within a generation of the time of His death burial and resurrection.

Within 40 years the followers of the King preach the Kings message and gather all those together natural branches and wild branches, a remnant of the domestic branches are taken in and the wild branches continue to be taken in to this day,

When the time of Roman occupation comes to its end all the remnant who accepted their True King are taken in, and the cup is filled to the brim, the army of the Roman Empire surround Jerusalem and lay her even with the ground with her children in her. The old Jewish Law system and her government destroyed and thrown into the wine press of God, the angel had thrust in its sickle and gathered the grapes of wrath. All those who took part in the Jewish law system's world from the one who broke the first law to those who broke the last law, all stood before their king in judgement. Those who slept in the dust of the earth stood before their judge.
In a momeent in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trumpet, those who slept were awoken, and those who were not yet sleeping in death would never have to ever go to a death sleep but went on to be with the Lord at their deaths.

Only one Kingdom would go forth, and only one saving message, and only one people who make up one temple. They only have one leader and only listen to His voice and another they will never follow.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Excuse me Brother Jason, but I don't have in my stats that I like to BOX.

Did you happen to miss where Brother James Anderson had under his avatar that he "liked to argue."

I think I might have done that when I made the "debate" category back months ago I made that title TIC and forgot to change it I think.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Jacob became Israel, Israel had sons these sons had children, these children became tribes these tribes made God mad.

These tribes wanted a king, and didn't want God, the first king was a hypocrite, and would repent, and mess up, repent, and mess up.

The next king God loved, because he would mess up, and repent also, but because he loved God, God loved him. The first king just loved being a king.

The second king had a son who would build a temple, and this temple would be the throne room of God, and all of Israel was supposed to pray at this temple. A stiff warning was given in 1st Kings 9:6-9, and that warning was if they stopped loving God, He would remove His temple and they would become an object lesson for all generations.

The third king dies, and two kings arose in his place, one goes south and the other goes north. The northen kingdom goes into idolatry, and the southern kingdom becomes cruel.

The northern kingdom disappears and gets mingled with Gentiles, and the southern kingdom later gets God angry and is sent and preserved in Babylon.
The king of Babylon is used as a tool of God to punish this cruel souuthern kingdom, and the prophet to this southern kingdom is told that for 70 years they would be in captivity.

After the 70 years is up another pagan king releases the Jews and helps them to rebuild their temple and city.

This southern kingdom was foretold that it would be under occupation of tthe Babylonians, Media Persia, Greeks, Romans, and then they would politically mingle themselves with the Romans. The Romans would hate them, and they would hate the Romans.

Their Christ would come born as the prophets foretold, and 30 years later He would come and teach and preach and warn the Jewish people of an impending danger, all those Jews had to repent and be baptized calling on tthe name of the Lord. Jesus had a forrunner who was a baptizer, and he also warned of a coming danger and that the kingdom of God was coming to manifest itself. Those religious who sought to be baptized were refused, and witth that refusal these words were spoken, "Who hath warned you to flee the wrath to come?"

Obviously there was a wrath, and that wrath was closing in on that Jewish world. Their true coming King was there and ready to right all wrongs, and He would be rejected by the high priest and the rest of the rulers, and they the potter's clay would use the iron to crucify their King.

After the death burial and resurrection of their King, He promises to return within a generation of the time of His death burial and resurrection.

Within 40 years the followers of the King preach the Kings message and gather all those together natural branches and wild branches, a remnant of the domestic branches are taken in and the wild branches continue to be taken in to this day,

When the time of Roman occupation comes to its end all the remnant who accepted their True King are taken in, and the cup is filled to the brim, the army of the Roman Empire surround Jerusalem and lay her even with the ground with her children in her. The old Jewish Law system and her government destroyed and thrown into the wine press of God, the angel had thrust in its sickle and gathered the grapes of wrath. All those who took part in the Jewish law system's world from the one who broke the first law to those who broke the last law, all stood before their king in judgement. Those who slept in the dust of the earth stood before their judge.
In a momeent in a twinkle of an eye, at the last trumpet, those who slept were awoken, and those who were not yet sleeping in death would never have to ever go to a death sleep but went on to be with the Lord at their deaths.

Only one Kingdom would go forth, and only one saving message, and only one people who make up one temple. They only have one leader and only listen to His voice and another they will never follow.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Well written and articulated.

But does this mean that there will be no "catching away" or "rapture"? And if not, how does one go about proving that the Lord will not return to gather His saints?

[*AQuietPlace*]

This is fascinating. Bro. Benincasa, what do full preterists believe about the future? Will the earth go on forever? Do we go to Heaven when we die? Is there a Heaven? Hell?