The Persecution of Women in the Church

Originally Posted by Rachel

When I regularly spouted feminist ideas and applied with a feminist organization, it did nothing for my relationship with God - BUT it was a condition of the heart. I was the problem - I wanted to do things my way.

Rachel, the heart is deceitful and wicked because of Satan. It is his wicked nature that is in us. (unsaved or unsurrendered to the Lord) You and I are either controlled by Christ or Satan. When Jesus died, he purchased us and redeemed us; (We are not our own, but have been purchased with a price.)

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Rachel, the heart is deceitful and wicked because of Satan. It is his wicked nature that is in us. (unsaved or unsurrendered to the Lord) You and I are either controlled by Christ or Satan. When Jesus died, he purchased us and redeemed us; (We are not our own, but have been purchased with a price.)

I do not discount satan, but the works of the flesh are bad enough without getting the devil involved in any way.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I do not discount satan, but the works of the flesh are bad enough without getting the devil involved in any way.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Rachel

Agreed.

Unredeemed flesh belongs to Satan. That's why it will die. The wages of sin is death.

Originally Posted by Rachel

When I regularly spouted feminist ideas and applied with a feminist organization, it did nothing for my relationship with God - BUT it was a condition of the heart. I was the problem - I wanted to do things my way.

Rachel, the heart is deceitful and wicked because of Satan. It is his wicked nature that is in us. (unsaved or unsurrendered to the Lord) You and I are either controlled by Christ or Satan. When Jesus died, he purchased us and redeemed us; (We are not our own, but have been purchased with a price.)

I'm certianly not attempting to open a pandora's theological box, but all people have is choice. That's why we are saved by grace through faith. Again, the fallen nature is the nature of Satan.

[Felicity]

I was reading the Mrs. earlier post about unfair treatment of women through the ages. Surely other groups have been treated as unfairly if not more unfairly and I'm talking specifically about racial discrimination, prejudice and the horrible things done to MEN and women too of course as result.

There has also been religious persecution through the centuries.

I don't know that women have been pinpointed for satanic assault more than any other group of humans.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I was reading the Mrs. earlier post about unfair treatment of women through the ages. Surely other groups have been treated as unfairly if not more unfairly and I'm talking specifically about racial discrimination, prejudice and the horrible things done to MEN and women too of course as result.

There has also been religious persecution through the centuries.

I don't know that women have been pinpointed for satanic assault more than any other group of humans.

Aunty,

There is a book out that a lot of people have read called The DaVinci Code.

It talks a lot about "the sacred feminine" and how the "Church" has been dominated by men and glorification of masculinity. This is a popular trend in our modern pop culture and psuedo-intelligentsia.

It used to be called moon worship or goddess worship. Ashtaroth was an example of it for you Bible scholars.

This stuff about how embattled women are above and beyond all other targets of Satan, and this huge emphasis on the feminine is just the latest manifestation of that influence showing up in the thinking of some religious people.

This is nothing new.It is an old, old spirit that shows up every so many generations with a new dress and a facelift.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Aunty,

There is a book out that a lot of people have read called The DaVinci Code.

It talks a lot about "the sacred feminine" and how the "Church" has been dominated by men and glorification of masculinity. This is a popular trend in our modern pop culture and psuedo-intelligentsia.

It used to be called moon worship or goddess worship. Ashtaroth was an example of it for you Bible scholars.

This stuff about how embattled women are above and beyond all other targets of Satan, and this huge emphasis on the feminine is just the latest manifestation of that influence showing up in the thinking of some religious people.

This is nothing new.It is an old, old spirit that shows up every so many generations with a new dress and a facelift.

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[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I was reading the Mrs. earlier post about unfair treatment of women through the ages. Surely other groups have been treated as unfairly if not more unfairly and I'm talking specifically about racial discrimination, prejudice and the horrible things done to MEN and women too of course as result.

There has also been religious persecution through the centuries.

I don't know that women have been pinpointed for satanic assault more than any other group of humans.

Sis. Felicity...if that were the case, why has it taken 6,000 years for women to have the right to vote?

Did you see that one of the last jurisdictions to grant women equal voting rights was Liechtenstein in 1984.

And that there are still some countries that deny/condition it?



Women's suffrage denied or conditioned

Bhutan — One vote per house. Although this applies to both men and women, in practice it currently prevents many more women from voting than men. If the new proposed constitution is voted and ratified, then no restrictions will apply by 2008.

Lebanon — Partial suffrage. Proof of elementary education is required for women but not for men. Voting is compulsory for men but optional for women.

Brunei — No suffrage for women. Neither men nor women have had the right to vote or to stand for election since 1962 because the country is governed by an absolute monarchy.

Saudi Arabia — No suffrage for women. The first local elections ever held in the country occurred in 2005. Women were not given the right to vote or to stand for election.

United Arab Emirates — Limited, but will be fully expanded by 2010.

Vatican City — No suffrage for women; while most men in the Vatican also lack the vote, all persons with suffrage in Papal conclaves (the Cardinals) are male.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Sis. Felicity...if that were the case, why has it taken 6,000 years for women to have the right to vote?

Did you see that one of the last jurisdictions to grant women equal voting rights was Liechtenstein in 1984.

And that there are still some countries that deny/condition it?



Women's suffrage denied or conditioned

Bhutan — One vote per house. Although this applies to both men and women, in practice it currently prevents many more women from voting than men. If the new proposed constitution is voted and ratified, then no restrictions will apply by 2008.

Lebanon — Partial suffrage. Proof of elementary education is required for women but not for men. Voting is compulsory for men but optional for women.

Brunei — No suffrage for women. Neither men nor women have had the right to vote or to stand for election since 1962 because the country is governed by an absolute monarchy.

Saudi Arabia — No suffrage for women. The first local elections ever held in the country occurred in 2005. Women were not given the right to vote or to stand for election.

United Arab Emirates — Limited, but will be fully expanded by 2010.

Vatican City — No suffrage for women; while most men in the Vatican also lack the vote, all persons with suffrage in Papal conclaves (the Cardinals) are male.

This is all bad stuff.

But the reason some of us got a little testy right off the bat was that the title of the thread didn't say anything about Moslem or other third world countries; it was the Church homeboy took a whack at.